I’m usually the one saying “AI is already as good as it’s gonna get, for a long while.”

This article, in contrast, is quotes from folks making the next AI generation - saying the same.

  • @cron@feddit.org
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    1072 months ago

    It’s absurd that some of the larger LLMs now use hundreds of billions of parameters (e.g. llama3.1 with 405B).

    This doesn’t really seem like a smart usage of ressources if you need several of the largest GPUs available to even run one conversation.

      • @blackbelt352@lemmy.world
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        642 months ago

        It’s a lot. Like a lot a lot. GPUs have about 150 billion transistors but those transistors only make 1 connection in what is essentially printed in a 2d space on silicon.

        Each neuron makes dozens of connections, and there’s on the order of almost 100 billion neurons in a blobby lump of fat and neurons that takes up 3d space. And then combine the fact that multiple neurons in patterns firing is how everything actually functions and you have such absurdly high number of potential for how powerful human brains are.

        At this point, I’m not sure there’s enough gpus in the world to mimic what a human brain can do.

        • @cynar@lemmy.world
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          222 months ago

          That’s also just the electrical portion of our mind. There are whole levels of chemical, and chemical potentials at work. Neurones will fire differently depending on the chemical soup around them. Most of our moods are chemically based. E.g. adrenaline and testosterone making us more aggressive.

          Our mind also extends out of our heads. Organ transplant recipricants have noted personality changes. Food preferences being the most prevailant.

          The neurons only deal with ‘fast’ thinking. ‘slow’ thinking is far more complex and distributed.

      • @cron@feddit.org
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        182 months ago

        I don’t think your brain can be reasonably compared with an LLM, just like it can’t be compared with a calculator.

        • @GetOffMyLan@programming.dev
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          222 months ago

          LLMs are based on neural networks which are a massively simplified model of how our brain works. So you kind of can as long as you keep in mind they are orders of magnitude more simple.

          • @utopiah@lemmy.world
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            62 months ago

            At some point it becomes so “simplified” it’s arguably just not the same thing, even conceptually.

            • @GetOffMyLan@programming.dev
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              2 months ago

              It is conceptually the same thing. A series of interconnected neurons with a firing threshold and weighted connections.

              The simplification comes with how the information is transmitted and how our brain learns.

              Many functions in the human body rely on quantum mechanical effects to function correctly. So to simulate it properly each connection really needs to be its own super computer.

              But it has been shown to be able to encode information in a similar way. The learning the part is not even close.

              • @utopiah@lemmy.world
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                11 month ago

                It is conceptually the same thing. […] The learning the part is not even close.

                Well… isn’t the “learning part” precisely the point? I don’t think anybody is excited about brains as “just” a computational device, rather the primary function of a brain is … learning.

                • @GetOffMyLan@programming.dev
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                  11 month ago

                  No, we are nowhere close to learning as the human brain does. We don’t even really understand how it does at all.

                  The point is to encode solutions to problems that we can’t solve with standard programming techniques. Like vision, speech recognition and generation.

                  These problems are easy for humans and very difficult for computers. The same way maths is super easy for computers compared to humans.

                  By applying techniques our neurones use computer vision and speech have come on in leaps and bounds.

                  We are decades from getting anything close to a computer brain.

                  • @utopiah@lemmy.world
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                    11 month ago

                    No, we are nowhere close to learning as the human brain does. We don’t even really understand how it does at all.

                    Sorry then if I sound like a broken record but again, doesn’t that mean that the analogy itself is flawed? If the goal remain the same but there is close to no explanatory power, even if we do get pragmatically useful result (i.e. it “works” in some useful cases) it’s basically “just” inspiration, which is nice but is basically branding more than anything else.

    • @WalnutLum@lemmy.ml
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      172 months ago

      Seeing as how the full unquantized FP16 for Llama 3.1 405B requires around a terabyte of VRAM (16 bits per parameter + context), I’d say way more than several.