This is so wholesome though. People are trying to make us believe that all women in Muslim families are oppressed and that we should pass some stupid laws to limit their freedoms because of that, but the reality is what’s happening in this post. This just healed a couple months worth of right-wing slander propaganda for me.
Uhm… how? Will you explain how you arrived at extracting a positive message out of this post?
The poster is apparently MtF and passing, and their mom is recognizing that, so visually, OP should cover themselves, according to their mom’s beliefs. However, the mom can’t acknowledge that, as that would mean acknowledging they’re a woman - which is impossible in their belief system.
I can’t imagine this tension to be pleasant for the mother in any form or shape, and at best the poster could gain some form of amusement by seeing their own mother struggle in discomfort. I fail to see how that situation is a blow to conservatives, demonstrating the absence of oppression in that particular family.
Oh, I read it the wrong way round… Well forget what I said, screw this woman’s family, they’re mean, but still don’t discriminate against Muslims it’s not cool
This shit is always so problematic, like the moment I speak against religion X, I’m joined by zealots of religion Y as if it’s about X or Y and not about the fact people made up a genocidal psychopatic man in the sky (or a similar system) that will make them go through eternal torture if they try to be decent people
Fuck people who impose their religious values onto others. Fuck people who feel superior due to their beliefs and try to help others “discover the truths” and “the incorrectness of their ways”. But religions don’t hurt people (at least the major world religions), it’s people who do that. And for every religious prick, there’s two others who genuinely gain something from their beliefs and aren’t weird about it.
I think questioning a religion itself doesn’t make sense, since all religions are irrational in some way and most of the time you can read whatever the fuck you want into the religious texts, but religious leadership deserves all the scrutiny in the world. Fuck the Vatican’s anti-queer rhetoric, fuck all of the pedophile priests and fuck all of the Islamists who are trying to turn the irrational into law.
So I guess what I’m trying to say is that we should differentiate between religions and religious assholes, lest we risk imposing the same kind of repression onto others that we are trying to protect ourselves against. And that includes acting superior to others because they believe something that we deem irrational. It would be a merrier world, could more people just keep their hands out of other’s business. Which is something the mother in this post did not understand, so fuck her, but also let’s be better than her.
Whoa that’s a lot of text I wrote just now. It’s not even really an answer to your comment anymore, but that’s what I believe in, in case anybody cares.
I would never pre-judge anyone based on only knowing their religion, because most people manage to reconcile their holy books with modern society, but I think it’s wrong to say religions don’t hurt people.
The misogyny and the homophobia are there, in the books, plain as day. How many queer people have grown up wracked with guilt over own “sinfulness”, and put themselves through conversion therapy because of all the vile shit they internalised from those books? How many women stay with abusive men because God says wives should obey their husbands and divorce is a sin?
I’ve met lots of lovely Christians and Muslims, but they’re lovely despite the religion AFAIAC.
This is so wholesome though. People are trying to make us believe that all women in Muslim families are oppressed and that we should pass some stupid laws to limit their freedoms because of that, but the reality is what’s happening in this post. This just healed a couple months worth of right-wing slander propaganda for me.
Uhm… how? Will you explain how you arrived at extracting a positive message out of this post?
The poster is apparently MtF and passing, and their mom is recognizing that, so visually, OP should cover themselves, according to their mom’s beliefs. However, the mom can’t acknowledge that, as that would mean acknowledging they’re a woman - which is impossible in their belief system.
I can’t imagine this tension to be pleasant for the mother in any form or shape, and at best the poster could gain some form of amusement by seeing their own mother struggle in discomfort. I fail to see how that situation is a blow to conservatives, demonstrating the absence of oppression in that particular family.
See: my other comment in this thread
Is it though? In the eyes of this woman’s mother she’s being treated as a man.
Oh, I read it the wrong way round… Well forget what I said, screw this woman’s family, they’re mean, but still don’t discriminate against Muslims it’s not cool
Free yourself to discriminate against all hateful religions equally.
This shit is always so problematic, like the moment I speak against religion X, I’m joined by zealots of religion Y as if it’s about X or Y and not about the fact people made up a genocidal psychopatic man in the sky (or a similar system) that will make them go through eternal torture if they try to be decent people
I feel like it’s the hate we should be speaking against and not the religion.
You cannot fight hate with hate.
Well you certainly can’t with platitudes.
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Don’t discriminate against the ethnicity. All religions deserve scrutiny especially when they hurt people.
Fuck people who impose their religious values onto others. Fuck people who feel superior due to their beliefs and try to help others “discover the truths” and “the incorrectness of their ways”. But religions don’t hurt people (at least the major world religions), it’s people who do that. And for every religious prick, there’s two others who genuinely gain something from their beliefs and aren’t weird about it.
I think questioning a religion itself doesn’t make sense, since all religions are irrational in some way and most of the time you can read whatever the fuck you want into the religious texts, but religious leadership deserves all the scrutiny in the world. Fuck the Vatican’s anti-queer rhetoric, fuck all of the pedophile priests and fuck all of the Islamists who are trying to turn the irrational into law.
So I guess what I’m trying to say is that we should differentiate between religions and religious assholes, lest we risk imposing the same kind of repression onto others that we are trying to protect ourselves against. And that includes acting superior to others because they believe something that we deem irrational. It would be a merrier world, could more people just keep their hands out of other’s business. Which is something the mother in this post did not understand, so fuck her, but also let’s be better than her.
Whoa that’s a lot of text I wrote just now. It’s not even really an answer to your comment anymore, but that’s what I believe in, in case anybody cares.
I would never pre-judge anyone based on only knowing their religion, because most people manage to reconcile their holy books with modern society, but I think it’s wrong to say religions don’t hurt people.
The misogyny and the homophobia are there, in the books, plain as day. How many queer people have grown up wracked with guilt over own “sinfulness”, and put themselves through conversion therapy because of all the vile shit they internalised from those books? How many women stay with abusive men because God says wives should obey their husbands and divorce is a sin?
I’ve met lots of lovely Christians and Muslims, but they’re lovely despite the religion AFAIAC.
Definitely also a fair take
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