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I’ve been looking at phones lately and I’ve seen this company called Enough from their YouTube kickstarter video. It’s them and SLEKE (maker of OdesseyOS) working on building a nice size phone. I’m thinking of supporting their kickstarter because I am tired of these humongous phablets, and I can’t stand on how they feel in my hand when holding them.
The phone has everything I want but I am really wondering if the bootloader will be unlockable.
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Some important edits that should be added; (after looking on Enough’s website and kickstarter)
- No unlockable bootloader
- No sideloading
- On Enough’s website, storage is expandable by MicroSD or that same space is using a physical SIM card and you have the option for eSIM
- No headphone jack, but a USBC to 3.5mm converter is given if you do the kickstarter
- Stock android or OdessyOS only (from SLEKE); no flashing capabilities at all
- Replaceable battery
- Price of phone from kickstarter:
- Super Early bird price: $399 USD (sold out)
- Early bird: $449 USD
- Kickstarter special; $499 USD
- Retail price after campaign: $599 USD
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Android? Locked? No thanks, never again…
This device has banned sideloading. Wouldn’t go anywhere near it.
sideloadinginstalling applications from any source in a device you own.Yes, thank you for using 10 words to describe what I did in 1.
Their point is that “sideloading” is a PR framing device to relabel a complete reasonable action i.e. “to install any Software on your device” to something which is not intended, advised and should not be desired.
Yes, the term “sideloading” is more distinct but it carries baggage
You’re adding negative connotations to words that have none. That’s like saying that we should rename piracy to “downloading media from alternative sources” or whatever just because corpos are anti-piracy. We use these words because they are precise and concise. Big tech is anti those words. We are pro those words. The word itself is neutral. “Sideloading” is a meaningful category because big tech makes it so by forbidding it, or making users have to use workarounds to do them. “It’s not sideloading; it’s just installing apps onto the phone you own”—well, that would be lovely, but that’s not currently the case.
I’m fully aware of what their point is. My point is it’s a senseless boogeyman distinction that someone made up about a word that precedes Google, and replaces it with a much longer phrase.
He explained in ten words what you fucked up in 1.
I think he meant “installing” but kept going.
This device has banned
sideloadinginstalling. Wouldn’t go anywhere near it.Doesn’t make much sense, does it?
Sure doesn’t.
Dam i just realized that, and now reading no unlockable bootloader either.
TL;DR: a stock Android option is available where you still can sideload
that’s only if you choose the “anti-distraction” OS where nearly no apps are available. stock android is also an option (on which sideloading is still very much possible but harder with a waiting period after the restrictions you’ve probably heard of).
i think this feature of the anti-distraction OS is probably a misstep if it can’t be overridden, but you do not have to use the anti-distraction OS at all.
Edit: Added TL;DR
It just says “Android OS”, which can mean a lot of different things. No one would actually want “stock Android”. But whatever it is is probably better than their own OS.
What do you mean “no one would want stock android”?
That’s the whole selling point of the Pixel serie phones. No 3rd party bloat or unwanted features, quick updates, etc.
Android OS is just another word for Google and Oddessy Os is for someone who wants minimalistic features. I’ve seen a lot of phones pushing that lately but then they don’t have features or capabilities that they should have.
Google is not an OS.
They do have they own OS called Chrome OS (for computers) but for these phones, especially now sideloading is going to be difficult or not happen at all, you can basically call stock android, Google, cause that is all Google is gonna want you to use.
They do have they own OS called Chrome OS
Yes and they have another one called Android. Google is a search engine. And a company. Again, not an OS.
WIRED says it’s stock Android.
“Stock Android” is pretty well-defined. what do you think it means?
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what happened to #7?
WHY WAS #7 DISAPPEARED? WHAT WAS HIS OFFENSE, ENJOYING A SUCCULENT CHINESE MEAL?!
It’s the hidden feature
lol
🤣 no, that was by accident. I was trying to create a spacing but it still listed it as a numbered list.
Locked bootloader is a no-go for me, I’m 100% on the GrapheneOS train now. But I do hope that smaller phones make some kind of comeback, I also hate how big they’ve gotten over the years.
What’s the smallest graphene phone one can get ?
A non-XL pixel, unfortunately. They’re not huge, but they’re certainly not small.
i used a 7a because it was the smallest and not old. 8a isn’t a lot bigger.
Still bigger than my old zenfone–that also had a headphone jack. Small is good
Locked bootloader means it’s a pass, unfortunately.
5.3 inches is not a small phone
I might have simply missed it, but I didn’t see mention of expandable storage, and the provided storage is quite small. I also specifically noted the lack of 3.5mm (they will provide a USB adapter, but those are frail and prone to failure). Bluetooth is nifty and all, but when I’m on mile 7 of a marathon or even a half and my headphones die, I will be filled with a supernova-class rage that a reliable wired option was never provided (an inevitability). All that, mixed with the low specs, is completely a nonstarter. If there was a headphone jack I might feel differently, but this ain’t it.
Slightly related concern, did anyone see that extremely condescending video from Nothing that was basically like “small phones are for nerds, and only idiots want phones thick enough for headphone jacks. Want to debloat your software? How about no OS at ALL so this expensive gadget does not function!” Talk about rage baiting. Fuck those guys.
I remember that video. I was in full support of Nothing until that came out, I lost complete respect of them after that. Just another company that went completely against their motive and a wanna be Apple😒😒
Nothing is so weird, adding AI buttons that can’t be remapped and adding lots of new unasked features to their OS.
They had a niche and botched it completely.
Their phones used to look unique too. I used to really like how they look.
Tbh I originally thought that video was serious and got excited :(
Yeah, same. And I was not prepared for the level of outright contempt they showed toward their fans with that one. “These are our most requested features by our customers,” proceeds to call them nerds and laughs as they brag about not building said features.
Literally every feature was something that sounded good to me. Even no OS I can work with as long as I can install one. Just save me a few extra bucks that way
They do have MicroSD
Oh sick. That’s definitely a pretty big positive, then. Good lookin out
They do but its in the same spot as the physical sim. So its either one or the other with esim. They have more then enough room to make a spot for physical sim and micro sd; i dont get why they didnt go that route.
The iPhone 5/5s was probably the perfect phone for me in terms of comfortable one handed use. Something like that again would be perfect.
Yeah… that size is perfect. I remember having the 6s plus ( my first iPhone) it was 5.5 in, so only .2 inches taller than the Enough Phone. When that phone was done, I struggled with finding a phone I was comfortable with ever since.
Company: I don’t wanna make a big phone. Waste of resources, engineers say no difference.
Older users: I want a big phone. I can’t see shit on the existing models
Company: ok I’ll make one, but it’ll cost ya. Markets small and all that, plus old users are not in line with our brand.
Older users: ok done.
Fomo users: zomg! More expensive phone must be good! Buys them. Does the exact same thing on the gigaphone
Company: hey, we might be on to something here. Proceeds to add useless features no one wants or uses whole jacking up the prices.
Older users: wtf is this phone asking me for my satellite launch codes?
Capitalism sucks.
Older user here: My iPhone 12 mini is plenty big enough for me. I was happy with the iPhone 4, really.
I always bought the smallest smartphone I could get my hands on until I hit my late 40s and my eyes weren’t so good anymore, now I get the biggest. Don’t know why companies don’t just cater to both. Different people got different needs.
I loved the 4. I dropped it while looking for a lost dog, and ran it over with a car, which finally broke it for good. I tried to get my account transferred to a friend’s old iPhone 4, but the guy at the store (this was before SIMs in iPhones, I think, so they needed to transfer your phone service over in store) said he literally couldn’t do it and tried to sell me the 8. No idea if that was correct, but I didn’t buy it.
If the solution presented at an Apple store is “buy new product” it’s likely just fishing for a sale. Use a 3rd party and they’ll do the work and not gaslight you.
Oh god, I didn’t go to an Apple Store! I went to T-Mobile (iirc, but maybe it was Cingular?). Probably not significantly better, but nobody looking at me with two iPhones 4, one smashed to smithereens, and one just most of a decade old, thought they were getting a sale, lol
This was before I was able to go outside of my provider (I had been a T-Mobile customer and I brought in a sprint iPhone, back when they were still locked and I didn’t have a SIM card yet- after that, I could switch to whatever). I eventually brought the guy a 5s and he could switch it over, but it was 2019, to be fair, and the 8 was the oldest option they had available in store.
I think it’s simply that there’s a balance between the usability of a small screen vs the clarity/added real estate of a big screen, and the line between those is different for everyone. The bigger devices tend to have better battery performance too.
The greatest lie with the customer demand…
My favorite smartphone size was sony xperia z1 mini And favorite size of dumb phone - nokia 3100
I wish I was able to experience a Nokia, they’re such cool looking phones, but Apple pushed everyone out of the US market when they came along
They don’t seem to understand what people actually want from phones.
If it had wireless charging, I would’ve backed the kickstarter already. Without it, I’ll hold on to my S22 for now and see how the reviews go once it’s released. But this is the size I want with most of the features I want.
The only small phone ive seen that is getting the attention it deserves is the Mudita Kompakt. Ive been paying attention to all the software updates and they look really good, plus you can sideload. Its a minimalistic e ink phone but it has way more features than the Enough Phone.
if you need a really small phone which is modern (4g) I suggest the latest Nokia ( don’t remember the number ), you will not get distracted.
Which 4G one in particular? Some won’t work here cause they still relay on 2G/3G or I’ll have to look up the international version of the phone.
I’m blindly trying the upcoming Commode phone out. It should be small enough and it runs on Sailfish, not Android. For privacy and security, that’s of course a complete wild card and could be great or complete shit for both.
I’m hoping the Sailfish core devs have 24/7 LLMs churning on looking for and fixing security problems. Practically the only way a small team like theirs could survive in 2026-27.
I would wait for testers to do that to see how the phone functions. Even though it can run android apls, i keep wondering on how far that can be tested, cause the company is saying not all android apps will work.
As soon as parts became astronomically expensive, suddenly they’re all interested in scaling their phones down. Just a coincidence I’m sure
If your talking about the specs, thats defitinely purposeful but the phone is being advertised towards the digital minimalism community, hence where SLEKE comes in. The phone is loosing so much potential and customers by making it too niche.
if anyone here is fine with Android 8 then i can reccomend https://shop.shift.eco/shift5me as a small repairable phone with replaceable battery and headphone jack for like 200€.
The ressources are quite limited and it does not have NFC but if its just a phone for simple tasks it can be enough (check if your banking app supports Android 8!)
