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      A few had already started jumping ship a couple of months or so ago. But not because they want to tell the world that they’re sorry, but because they had already thought they saw the writing on the wall, and figured getting out early might help them in the future. Many will deny ever supporting Netanhayu or Zionism.

      Saying that, it still feels a little like counting chickens before they’re hatched.

      This:

      Vice President JD Vance, assessing why his Republicans fared poorly, listed four ways to bring voters back, including ending the Iran war and changing “our relationship with Israel”.

      If that was to work on any level, then there is no hope for the U.S. at all.

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        I really really hope people don’t forget the shitpile this administration has been and don’t vote R again in their lifetime.

        My fear is that the neocon wing of the party grabs the power back and pretends they’re all different in the 2030s.

        R presidencies are always such incredible clusterfucks, and yet they get voted back every few election cycle.

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          Because there are only two options. Think of aggregate voter sentiment as being “If things are good/ok, vote incumbent. If things are bad, vote for change/the other guys”. It doesn’t matter who the ‘other guys’ are, just that they’re recognised as ‘the only alternative’.

          Eg. Canada’s third largest province just elected a totally unknown conservative leader – like the ‘real’ leader stepped down a day before the election was called, and a temp got put in place… who then ‘won’ the election. That cycle wasn’t about “voting for the random temp” / supporting conservative values, it was a repudiation of the previous government. People just didn’t feel like there was any other viable alternative.

          So if the dems don’t markedly improve the living conditions in the USA somehow during their term, and get people thinking “Yeah, things are good!”, they’ll be kicked out again, and replaced by whatever monstrosity the R’s have dredged out of the Trump Ocean.

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          they always end up starting wars to ensures any DEM will inherit the mess, the voters, mostly conservatives and some independents will have goldfish memories and vote for a republican again.

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          They time their legislation to kick in during Democratic administrations, then blame Democrats. The morons fall for it and there are a lot of morons in this country. We need Democrats calling out shit like this all the time, teach people about these strategies.

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        I have doubt that people will reject Zionism. They’re indoctrinated into it from birth and it’s intense brainwashing. That doesn’t just go away, you need professional help.

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          I don’t think that they will reject Zionism, I do think that many will deny subscribing to it/believing in it though.

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      Or time to start the real genocide, since they have less to lose, and people cried wolf anyway.

      Also, they will have less budget for fancy interceptors from hamas rockets.

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    This will change nothing internally for Israeli politics. They did not develop the mental illness of fascism out of thin air. They are one of the most heavily indoctrinated and radicalized populations on the planet, and it’s been going on for more than a century (zionism started well before Nazi Germany).

    Even after dozens of widely reported crimes against humanity — including the rape, beastiality, torture, and murder of “suspects” — the result was Israeli extremists committing domestic terrorism and storming a military base in defense of releasing the suspect charged for raping a Palestinian so badly they needed emergency hospitalisation. All domestic polling I’ve seen indicates that somewhere between 70-90% of Israelis are pro-genocide; pro-extermination; irredeemably mentally ill nazis…

    Israel and Zionism in general need to be sanctioned, blacklisted, and ostracized for decades to crack their fascist psychosis.

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      You should add that Saudi Arabia is holding back the rest of the Muslim world from coming to rescue. The House of Saud is also complicit.

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    🚨 TRADE OFFER 🚨

    I get: billions of dollars worth of guns, planes, and other military equipment

    You get: loads of bad press, occasional dinner with Bibi (while supplies last, no cash value, void where prohibited)

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    Cut them off cold turkey. Let them learn to get along with their neighbors, instead of being bullies to everyone, with the USA being their big brother.

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    It would be really nice if one day we could stop associating with Israel and Saudi Arabia.

    Israel is going to have to get more covert going forward. AIPAC carries too much baggage. Maybe they’ll hide behind JStreetPAC or something for a while, or have their donors reclassify as some other FEC title, which I suspect they may already be doing.

    Either way, anyone who starts to carry a legislative record of putting Israel First over America can no longer hide behind simply being opposed to antisemitism; nothing wrong with that if genuine of course (for it was always conservatives under the Republican banner causing violence wrought out of hate crimes) – but we all know that was just a veil for increasing far-right strength in Israel.

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      AIPAC are already covering their tracks. They now do most funding through the united democracy project. Though that’s been pro-israels Super PAC for sometime, AIPAC funding was still high.

      Their donation model has also changed. Now they encourage their members to do individual contributions rather than through the org. Which is much harder to trace to their specific lobby group.

      That’s why it’s important to ask the politician if they support Israel, because it 100% is a litmus test on their morality, both governance morality or human morality.

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    Maybe sinking fealty but the support will still be there - too much money flowing to both parties.

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      They do have about 100 representatives that would support cutting funding for Israel but the other 400 will be against it.

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          Realistically it’s more like 100 support Israel, 100 vehemently oppose it, and 200 just play along with whatever the leader says to not get kicked out of the party.

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      Chuck already has his beach front property picked out in Gaza. Dude personally helped get bulldozers for Isreal. What did Isreal need several hundred extra of those chuck? Fucking ghouls. Jeffries is no better.

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    it’s time for the Democratic version of America First, where we spend our money at home, on our people. When we’re strong and healthy, we can go out and fix the world. But right now, we need to concentrate on our own problems.

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      When we’re strong and healthy, we can go out and fix the world

      no thanks, retreat to within your own borders and maybe cooperate with other countries without trying to be “the world police”

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      I guess the next 1-3 decades will bring a lot of change especially to the USA. What made the U.S. so strong is that everyone in the world used their systems, e.g. communication, payment system, currency, military/weapons, alliances, etc. But I think no-one really wants to continue using it. Of course this is easier said than done. But nevertheless countries will try and succeed at least to a degree to use non-usa systems.

      Nevertheless USA is an impressive powerhouse, but part of that power comes from the whole world relying on U.S. systems. Which will change for sure.

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        part of that power comes from the whole world relying on U.S. systems.

        Trump has never understood soft power and has ruined US soft power in nearly all aspects.

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    only because aipac DNCers and gop was shielding them from bad press from reaching any MSMs, essentially downplaying the conflict thats been going on for decades. both benny and putin timed thier invasion just before trump would get re-elected, so he would just rollover and face no resistance.

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    naa. the working class has always hated genocide. but the reps in dc - they’ll keep supporting genocide, just in the quiet way dems tend to.