hey let’s see what the people who killed and buried hacker culture think should go in the jargon file!

If the spirit of the original Jargon file was to be a living document, alas, it failed to keep with the times.

Hackers at large have moved away from Lisp despite Paul Graham and other evangelists […]

Hackers also have moved away from academia at large, and 9-5 jobs at tech behemoths are more natural habitats for them, which also shaped the lingo. I mean, there’s a whole layer of slang usually pertinent to outsourcing agencies and to cubicle farms.

I can’t wait for the corporate-approved jargon file, with any hint of anti-capitalism replaced with fun words and quotes from billionaires to share as the soul leaves my body

So in order for the document to evolve, we need a system to determine consensus. Everyone who cares runs a program on their computer that joins the network and registers their intent. With each proposed change, a query goes out to the network, and it’s up to everyone on the network to say yea or nay to the proposal. With enough "yea"s, the document is updated.

…this is starting to sound like a blockchain, isn’t it.

for the absolute sake of fuck. coming soon: HackerDAO! collect 10xer tokens and finally prove to the junior devs why corporate gives you so many points to crunch on! vote on fun new jargon, but only if it’s crypto-related! surely you’re hacker enough to be on the pump side of this pump and dump!

  • @gerikson
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    121 year ago

    Pre-ESR Jargon File, along with RMS, is more “society should be more like university” than anti-capitalist.

  • @kuna
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    • @selfOPA
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      51 year ago

      you’re right, there’s nothing anticapitalist at all about esr’s jargon file. I feel like hacker culture as it originally existed pre-esr had strong anticorporate elements (such as open access to systems and knowledge with no profit motive, including via what’d later be known as software hacking and piracy; this shit got whitewashed to fuck by esr and others to make hacker culture more palatable to corporations), though to be honest that’s probably wishful thinking on my part. either way that ideal largely got swept away by the greed surrounding the first AI bubble

      I definitely love a good hbomb. gonna put that one on in the background while I reassemble this semi-busted Pinebook

    • @selfOPA
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      71 year ago

      exactly! almost everything proposed in the thread is basically ESR but more so too. it feels a lot like they’re shitting on him because it’s popular, while rebroadcasting his philosophy because it’s one of the major influences that led to the formulation of what hacker news thinks a hacker is

      • @selfOPA
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        61 year ago

        (not to imply that shitting on esr because it’s popular makes it at all wrong; fuck esr, and fuck the corporate hacker culture he popularized)

          • @selfOPA
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            71 year ago

            the way I like to think of it is that any of the good of hacker culture definitely wasn’t encapsulated by the folks who fought tooth and nail to lead and appropriate it; nor was any of it driven forward by the early VCs who stole (literally, as taxpayer-funded research we all owned it) tech like Lisp machines and drove it all into the fucking ground creating the first AI bubble, destroying communities where knowledge was shared freely (and machines where it was assumed you had free access to source code) in search of a quick buck

            the good was in the community, as it has been in so many things venture capitalists have destroyed since. hacker culture’s first mistake was choosing to not be so vocally socialist that the corps would get scared; we’ve seen now how that ends, every time

  • @Evinceo
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    61 year ago

    Did the jargon file fail to evolve, or did Raymond just stop maintaining it? It roughly coincides with when the full extent of his brain breakage became apparent (“anti idiotiarian manifesto.”)

    Or maybe it represents the end of when the Stallmanites, The corporate types (incl. Raymond) and the Linux Fandom actually saw eye-to-eye.