With membership at new lows and no electoral wins to their name, it’s time for the Greens to ditch the malignant narcissist who’s presided over its decline.

"How has Stein fared as a leader? By AOC’s perfectly reasonable standard, she’s done abysmally. As of July 2024, a mere 143 officeholders in the United States are affiliated with the Green Party. None of them are in statewide or federal offices. In fact, no Green Party candidate has ever won federal office. And Stein’s reign has been a period of indisputable decline, during which time the party’s membership—which peaked in 2004 at 319,000 registered members—has fallen to 234,000 today.

This meager coalition can’t possibly kick-start a legitimate political movement, capable of organizing voters and advancing ideas outside of perennial electoral events. It’s just large enough, however, to spoil the work of those who put in this kind of work."

  • cabbage@piefed.socialEnglish
    158·
    2 years ago

    It’s a two party system. Everybody knows if you run as a third party you’re merely increasing the chances that the ones furthest from you politically will be elected.

    It’s impossible for a third party candidate to be running for president in the US in good faith unless they’re complete fucking idiots with no idea how the political system works.

    Jill Stein knows how the system works. So obviously she’s not acting in good faith.

    Simple as that.

  • MinnesotaGoddam@lemmy.worldEnglish
    55·
    2 years ago

    When I was a teenager and foolish and a republican, we campaigned for the green party because we thought we could trick democrats into voting green but we’d never get them to vote republican. make of that what you will.

    • halcyoncmdr@lemmy.worldEnglish
      28·
      2 years ago

      It’s literally one of the things they do every election. This isn’t new. Or even news. Unless people were living under a rock, or blind.

      Just like Russia, China, etc help any misinformation and disinformation campaign they can all over the world in other countries. All chaos is good for them in the end. Even if their ideal candidate doesn’t win, the bickering they help stole makes it harder for other countries to rally very well against their interests.

      It’s the same reason the US has done the same shit all over as well. Promoting and supporting coups is a national passtime because it helps the US indirectly either way.

  • Thrillhouse@lemmy.world
    45·
    2 years ago

    It makes total sense for Russia to make Jill Stein a Russian asset because it neutralizes an anti-oil organization. Oil is very important to Russia’s economy so of course they don’t want any phase-out of fossil fuels.

  • Chapelgentry@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
    37·
    2 years ago

    Wait, the Green Party only had 300k members at it’s peak? That’s 0.001% of the American population. Why are all the tankies in here talking about how voting for Stein will make a difference? That’s not even enough to consider her a contender in most states, much less for the whole country.

    Edit: should be 0.1%. My bad and thanks for the correction!

    • ravhall@discuss.onlineBanned
      24·
      2 years ago

      Because they are not trying to get her elected, they are trying to destroy the west by getting trump elected.

    • jordanlund@lemmy.worldOPM
      17·
      2 years ago

      Hey, at their peak, when Nader was running in 2000 and Bush was installed as President by the Supreme Court, the Greens got 2.7% of the vote!

      The best they’ve done since then is Stein in 2016 with 1.07%.

      Generally, they’re 0.1%, 0.3%. In that range.

      • ansiz@lemmy.worldEnglish
        9·
        2 years ago

        People forget, but in the 70’s Nader was so feared by the DC elite that Nixon repeatedly complained about him on the Nixon tapes. Nader would have been a good president based on his record of advocating for citizens over corporations.

      • Chapelgentry@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
        7·
        2 years ago

        Ah yeah I remember that! I remember everyone talking about the 3% threshold where (if I remember correctly) the green party would be included in debates and receive federal campaign funds. Hell, if they couldn’t do it at the height of Nader always I don’t see that happening now, particularly under Stein.

    • ArxCyberwolf@lemmy.ca
      16·
      2 years ago

      Because they can smugly claim to have accomplished something with their vote while the country burns around them. Must be nice not being at risk under a Trump administration.

    • dubyakay@lemmy.ca
      15·
      2 years ago

      (319,000 / 293,000,000) * 100 = ~0.11%

      Not 0.001%. Unless you were just overexaggerating their insignificance on purpose. However that’s then potentially 319k less voters for the Dems.

    • archomrade [he/him]@midwest.socialEnglish
      4·
      2 years ago

      Because for as long as they remain an available alternative to the democrats, they place pressure on them to address their policy shortfalls.

      The real question is why the Democrats have suddenly decided they are an unacceptable threat, despite their declining registrations numbers.

      • Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.worldEnglish
        7·
        2 years ago

        The real question is why the Democrats have suddenly decided they are an unacceptable threat, despite their declining registrations numbers.

        Because the polling is currently a toss up between Trump and Harris. And the closer the race, the easier it is for spoiler candidates to spoil the vote. Hence the panic.

        • archomrade [he/him]@midwest.socialEnglish
          1·
          2 years ago

          The last three or four elections have been ‘toss-ups’, though. Basically since the Greens were a party.

          Previously, though, democrats were fairly dismissive, and I’d say even moderately receptive to addressing or responding to their main grievances. Democrats even adopted the Green New Deal from them as recently as 2018.

          It’s not an exaggeration to say that the democrats have had a very sudden change in tone around the green party, right at a time when their platform is making a swing to the right. I think it’s fair to speculate that someone made a calculated decision to abandon any effort to match or compete with the greens on policy and instead attack them on the basis of their opposition.

          • Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            2 years ago

            right at a time when their platform is making a swing to the right.

            It’s also right at a time when the conservatives have been at an all time high with their open fervor for fascism.

  • frezik@midwest.social
    27·
    2 years ago

    Jill Stein is so bad that if I lived in a ranked choice voting state, I would still rank her pretty low.

  • blazera@lemmy.worldEnglish
    20·
    2 years ago

    Can you imagine if you campaigned against trump half as much as you campaign against progressive parties?

  • jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world
    16·
    2 years ago

    ITT: Blue MAGA and preaching to the choir.

    Dr. Jill Stein has improved the Green Party; y’all just believe anything the duopoly and owner-class media spit out when it agrees with your thinking.

    Muslim support is at an all-time high for Dr. Jill Stein; that is why AOCPelosi, the new attack dog of Blue MAGA, started up again.

    I suggest getting out of the echo chambers and checking out independent journalists instead of continuing the self-censorship.

        • darharrison@lemm.ee
          1·
          2 years ago

          It’s not, and thinking that way does not make you enlightened, it makes you completely unable to comprehend the facts

      • EndlessApollo@lemmy.worldEnglish
        7·
        2 years ago

        They are and they call you a nazi for saying free palestine or saying anything remotely negative about any democrat ever

        Edit but also the guy you’re replying to is dumb, wtf do they mean by AOCPelosi? They hate eachother xD

        • darharrison@lemm.ee
          1·
          2 years ago

          They are absolutely not. I’m voting Democratic all the way down the ticket this year and I will say all day that Biden needs to cut the crap with his support for Israel (while also mentioning Trump has been accused of illegally contacting Israel to sabotage the ceasefire deals). Lots of people I know share this exact opinion. Your argument is a strawman.

          • EndlessApollo@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            2 years ago

            You and your friends not being that doesn’t mean they’re not real. A lot of democrats will call you a Chinese spy for suggesting that Biden or other democrats could do better on Israel, and to them even remotely questioning whether we should be blindly VBNMWing for all eternity makes you a nazi who’s trying to get trump elected. Blue maga is real, and their existence and the fact all other democrats deny they exist is gonna get Trump elected 100x faster than trying to make democrats more electable and less genocidal. I promise you the moment trump dies, I never vote blue again unless yall get your shit together and stop trying to be almost as far right and and blindly fanatical and genocidal as republicans (slight edit bc I was being kinda hyperbolic on how many dems are magalike)

    • barsquid@lemmy.world
      20·
      2 years ago

      Oh it’s our resident “independent journalism” guy who seems to post nothing but far-right podcasts.

    • ALostInquirer@lemm.ee
      15·
      2 years ago

      Dr. Jill Stein has improved the Green Party; y’all just believe anything the duopoly and owner-class media spit out when it agrees with your thinking.

      In what ways, alongside the one point mentioned, and according to what sources (presumably not from the party itself)?

    • anticolonialist@lemmy.worldBanned from community
      12·
      2 years ago

      The greater part of the population is not very intelligent, dreads responsibility, and desires nothing better than to be told what to do. Provided the rulers do not interfere with its material comforts and its cherished beliefs, it is perfectly happy to let itself be ruled.

      ~Aldous Huxley

      • shalafi@lemmy.worldBannedEnglish
        10·
        2 years ago

        Wow! Never read that quote. Perfectly explains how American politics got to be such a mess. I laugh at all the revolutionary talk around here.

        material comforts

        Yeah, no, we’re so well-fed we have to find excuses for our rampant obesity. There won’t be a revolution until people are literally fighting for food and our masters will never allow that to come to pass. Look at lemmy, bitching and moaning about video game prices and such. We’re pretty fucking far from lacking material comforts. To add, a lot of people think they’re suffering, but haven’t seen a day of true poverty in their lives. Y’all, you’re suffering in comparison to what could and should be.

        cherished beliefs

        As fast as we in the West are dropping religion, notice the politicians haven’t done anything about the rampant sex abuse? Taxing the church? Unheard of! Let the masses have their silly beliefs, stick to the middle of the road if you must, get elected again.

  • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
    12·
    2 years ago

    Reactionary people are unable to accept that some of us are socialists who have an absolute fear of more orange bad. I love where I live and planned to stay the rest of my life, but will be forced (by my own standards and fear) to leave the country if he returns to office.

  • nilloc@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    10·
    2 years ago

    I think Ralph Nader killed it when he helped get us Bush and the war criminals.

    Jill just figured out the Putin would pay to reanimate its corpse.

    • jordanlund@lemmy.worldOPM
      6·
      2 years ago

      The Green Party really didn’t exist before Nader. There was a loose coalition of state Green parties that united under Nader in 1996. But the idea of a national Green party wouldn’t happen until 2001.

      • nilloc@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        5·
        2 years ago

        Good point, but I still think that even if he created it, he also damaged its reputation the most in the 2000 election.

        Stein being a stooge for Putin is just the result of a weak/desperate organization that needs funding and has no real leadership or ideals outside of at best, wanting to exist, but at worst, planning to spoil for an ideologically opposite party.

  • anticolonialist@lemmy.worldBanned from community
    10·
    2 years ago

    Liberals are desperate to smear any threat to their existence and power. Watching it reminds me of Southerners that were desperate to cling to their ‘heritage’ of hate and bigotry. They didn’t see it as hate and bigotry, but everyone else paying attention did

  • SeattleRain@lemmy.worldEnglish
    8·
    2 years ago

    She’s going to spoil the election for Harris libs! There’s nothing you can do about it, except stop your genocide is Gaza.

    • Soup@lemmy.cafeEnglish
      19·
      2 years ago

      Such commitment to the bit! Love how you encapsulated the sheer ignorance and downright avoidance of reality of typical leftists here in just a few short sentences!

      You’ve got a career in comedy ahead of you!