Organization seeks ‘immediate arrest’ of Trump and Vance over Springfield hoax
Fixed the title. I read nothing to suggest that Trump or Vance are currently in any danger of being arrested in Springfield, Ohio.
Yeah, they do not “face immediate arrest” there have been calls to arrest them, but they face nothing.
I know the hexbear community loves that comic. Where is it from and what is the context?
It’s from the Onion! The artist is Ward Sutton but he’s drawing the comics from the point of view of a character named “Kelly” who is a parody of an old right wing guy (according to the Internet) who hates political correctness, hence the exaggerated scenarios in the comics. The “haha yes” sickos guy (who I guess sometimes shows up in a thought bubble) usually feels like a parody of how the right views various left wing policies in that the comic overplays / exaggerates the disastrous effects of said policies (to make fun of how absurd those fears are) while the “leftist sickos” cheer on the disastrous results.
The comics basically make fun of how extremely the right views progressive policy and the sickos guy is kind of pointing out how absurd it is to view someone as bad faith (ie a sicko knowingly cheering on the disastrous effects of a progressive policy) who supports something as simple as green energy, drug legalization, or bike lanes. It’s fun to use as a reaction image to anything progressive happening because obviously wanting something like for example affordable healthcare obviously doesn’t make you a sicko. (Or in this case wanting a terrible person to actually face actual legal consequences for the harm they’ve done)
Thanks for explaining!
“There’s nothing special about Trump and Vance that entitles them to get away with what they’ve done and are doing,” the attorney added. “They think they’re above the law. They’re not.”
Except for the Senate Republicans who would not hold their own accountable for crimes they committed or the federal supreme Court Justice feeding Trump’s attorney legal advice to use in the lower courts. And the billions in PAC funds and trinket grifts used to campaign for politicians and appoint judges who are loyal to them above the Constitution and citizens. And anything Trump did as president is legal if he says it was part of the job. Except for those facts sure they’re just like you or me in the eyes of the law.
Yeah, you can’t even pretend that Trump isn’t above the law when the Supreme Court has literally ruled that he is at their discretion.
Technically the ruling was for
crimesofficial acts he committed while in office.He’s no longer president and holds no privilege, except being the Republican nominatee for President. Which apparently is a protected class.
Correct. Regardless, it has been codified that he IS above the law in some cases. Slippery slope is not a fallacy in this instance.
even as a president, this wouldn’t be protected under the immunity act, only presidential actions. Speaking to the public, as far as i am concerned is not considered to be a core “presidential action” in the government.
SCOTUS has decreed that SCOTUS alone can determine what is an official act.
while this is true, they still have a basis to operate under. There are certain things that aren’t official acts. Posting on social media wouldn’t be one. There are things that are, and those have absolute immunity (bad) there are also things that have presumptive immunity (which means you have to rule on whether or not these are admissible evidence) and this has had a direct effect on the jan 6th hearing, removing like 9 pages of communication between government officials, which is about all they could remove from the hundreds of pages that were there already.
I believe this would be a state issue though, so some of that doesn’t apply.
Tempted to remove as “Fox by Proxy” but here’s an alternate source which confirms the story and raises an excellent point:
https://www.npr.org/2024/09/25/g-s1-24436/haitian-group-charges-trump-vance-springfield
“If it were anyone else other than Trump and Vance who had done what they’ve done — wreak havoc on Springfield, resulting in bomb threats, evacuated and closed government buildings and schools, threats to the mayor and his family — they would have been arrested by now,” Chandra said. “They are not above the law.”
Chandra said the U.S. Supreme Court’s July ruling granting ex-presidents broad immunity from criminal prosecution does not apply in this case because Trump is currently a private citizen and Vance was not acting in his capacity as a senator when he amplified the rumors that members of Springfield’s 15,000-member Haitian community were eating people’s pets.
"If it were anyone else … they would have been arrested by now,” Chandra said. “They are not above the law.”
Those two sentences don’t add up.
Yeah. “They shouldn’t be above the law.” works better.
They add up to “therefore they should be attested”.
“They are not above the law” is the justification for calling for their arrest.
So this is the real reason why Trump cancelled his Springfield visit.
Trump’s scared that Vance’s family will eat Laura Loomer
I don’t understand. Is Laura Loomer a brand of couch I haven’t heard of?
Yes. Please don’t research Laura Loomer any further
I think she’d have more to be worried about with Robert Kennedy around talking to Trump. Trump is so easy to control and that dude needs help.
If you ever needed to plumb the depths of American bigotry, it’s Trump appearing on stage glad-handing a dog eater and then making up some bullshit about Haitians.
I thought it was when he had a public meeting at his home with a fucking self-admitted Nazi.
“i’m still voting for trump!”
–this fucking guy
Sonos DeWine, that shady fuck.
I think it would be pretty hilarious if this was the thing that got Trump in jail. Aaaaaall the other stuff? Nah. but this Springfield hoax? Yeah we got to do something about that.
Al Capone got put away for Tax Evasion, so anything is possible I guess.
If only the IRS had the teeth now as it did then, we’d never heard about this trump fellow.
We probably would have heard about him going to prison in the 80s.
Silly billies. Don’t they know that the law doesn’t apply to rich people?
Still, good on them for trying and further bringing into the collective consciousness that this is the case.
Good on them for trying.
Trump isn’t ever going to actually go to jail. That would set a precedent for us to actually keep our political leaders accountable, and that ain’t happening.
If anything, they’ve done everything to excuse outright corruption in the US government. SuperPACs, bribes, it’s all getting legitimized. You can’t even hear reports criticizing civil asset forfeiture not only because the practice is so widespread, but now people are more concerned about even worse things. A massive and overcrowded private prison system being used as a system of low or non-existent labor akin to slavery? Last decade’s news.
Please, tell me how the US was founded as a revolution from tyranny and corruption again. Was that the policy when manifest destiny trampled on native American lives and left them in enclosed casinos? The US has always been about colonizers and subjugation, and even to this day continues to support modern world colonizers who, lacking the absence of modern civilization, rationalize the natives as militants when they oppose and make sure to place them besides terrorists. It speaks volumes to the sad state of global affairs that they are still the better option in terms of global superpowers to ally with.
The US compares itself to and lets itself be shaped by the lowest common denominator. Anything better, too socialist - but nevermind the small group of oligarchies power is organized around who do get the socialist treatment anyway.
Learning about USA history in high school radicalised me.
As you said, manifest destiny was just the same old colonialism they claimed to oppose, just with a religious excuse.
The US education system does teach US history and critical thinking, but applying it to itself is another thing entirely. The means are still there, so it’s no coincidence that there has been a movement to shaft the US education system an promote things like homeschooling.
there will be parades and celebration on his death though. hell never be forgotten, but not the way he wants.
Well that’s one way to keep them out of your city while campaigning. Can we do that here in MI? I’m sick of them being here every week.
Have an immigrant file a suit for libel (or slander…I forgot which is which. Hell, both).
Libel, like library
I’ll believe it when I see it.
It’s now a talking point, which is good.
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Didn’t cause me any trouble either
Unfortunately, Safari doesn’t support uBlock Origin or many other top tier ad blockers. The one I use (1Blocker) is detected on that site and blocked from viewing the article.
I’m positive that they’ll be arrested and face justice 🤦🏽
@just_another_person@lemmy.world Looks like Rawstory heard the complaints and modified the headline on you.
The new headline is “Trump and Vance face criminal charges over Springfield hoax”
If you could make this match, that would be great!
