Sorry if I’m the millionth to ask this, but what are some good trustworthy email providers? Even if paid. But if I’m paying it’d best if it’s privacy focused. Thanks!

  • UnRelatedBurner@sh.itjust.worksOP
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    I’m hearing about proton but they feel very scummy. Is proton(vpn and mail) actually privacy centered, doesn’t log and doesn’t sell data?

    While I tought about self hosting an email, but doesn’t that come with lots of problems, like you can’t garantee five nines of uptime, or someone emails you cp, or websites not accepting custom domains? I also heard it’s easly hackable.

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      Proton were forced by swiss court order to log the IP address of a climate activist, which led to his arrest, but as far as we know they never actually breached his encrypted emails.

      Tuta had a similar incident, but due to being based in Germany, had to go farther, and allowed access to any emails that weren’t encrypted for the court ordered individual.

      That only matters if you believe you will be a person of interest for your government, and the lesson is that no email service is perfectly safe for things that require that level of protection.

      For most of us, any of the private emails will be fine, and are certainly better than Google.

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        It looks way to much like big corp. And money corrupts. Why do I get a calendar, a vaul, a vpn, and a mail service for free. I know it’s limited services, but for free? I feel like I must be the product.

        I get when it’s a non-profit, or living off donations, but Proton is either of those

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          money corrupts

          This is exactly the reason that Proton became a non-profit:

          https://proton.me/blog/proton-non-profit-foundation

          Swiss foundations and their board of trustees are legally obligated to act in accordance with the purpose for which they were established, which, in this case, is to defend Proton’s original mission. As the largest voting shareholder of Proton, no change of control can occur without the consent of the foundation, allowing it to block hostile takeovers of Proton, thereby ensuring permanent adherence to the mission.

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            Proton is still a for-profit company. However, there is now the non-profit Proton Foundation that is the largest shareholder of the Proton company (not necessarily majority shareholder).

            Plus, non-profits are not guaranteed to be positive. See OpenAI for example.

            Edit: Grammar

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          To be fair, the Proton Foundation is a non-profit and is the majority shareholder of Proton.

          • Matt@lemdro.id
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            The foundation is the largest shareholder, but Proton has not specified whether it controls a majority.

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          That’s fair. Though the free service is more of an infinite trial tbh