CAFE by GE for those who are wondering.

We are renovating our house including all new appliances. I have told my partner to make sure we get non smart appliances. This is why.

Yes I can setup a VLAN for it to be on but that’s not the point.

  • @thingsiplay@beehaw.org
    link
    fedilink
    518 hours ago

    Maybe you can buy a DLC to have additional functionality. Or you need to pay micro transactions with each cooking. No money is wasted.

  • Blackout
    link
    fedilink
    1317 hours ago

    I bought one of those ge induction ovens to swap out a gas one. The only smart feature I liked was the ability to turn my oven on to preheat from my phone. Guess what feature just doesn’t work no matter the tech support help i get with it.

    • @Trainguyrom@reddthat.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      35 hours ago

      I worked for a phone manufacturer a few years ago. We’d get callers who were referred to us by shitty IOT vendors who wanted to insist their buggy apps just didn’t work because our phone broke it and not because their crappy IOT “features” were clearly tossed together by lowest bidder contractors they stopped paying 2 years ago. The number of IOT devices I just referred the customer to the Google Play reviews and read them the first 5 reviews that all detail various bugs in the companion app was concerning to say the least

  • rem26_art
    link
    fedilink
    7118 hours ago

    they’re using the Wi-fi radiation to cook your meals /s

    Thats really, really dumb. I can understand maybe wanting the option of having your oven ping your phone when the timer goes off, but what could it possibly need internet access for in order to turn on the heating element and a fan for a set period of time??

    • @thingsiplay@beehaw.org
      link
      fedilink
      1618 hours ago

      I had a bakery/kiosk mix of shop, where I baked bread every morning for 13 years or so. There was a customer who questioned my oven, because she actually does not know if it really radiates. And how I can be this sure about it. Its a damn oven! Like one in every household, just a bit bigger. People are really this dumb. Besides, it wouldn’t be legal… oh man still upsets me. Not because of being accused for, but it upset me that people like her have the right to vote.

      • Saik0
        link
        fedilink
        English
        2717 hours ago

        The microwave region extends from 1,000 to 300,000 MHz (or 30 cm to 1 mm wavelength).

        Source: https://www.britannica.com/science/electromagnetic-radiation/Microwaves

        2.4Ghz, and 5Ghz are microwaves. Your typical microwave oven operates at about 2.45GHz due to resonance frequency of water. 2.4Ghz wifi is literally a typical microwave’s neighbor.

        The difference is sheer amount of power and shielding. Not the type of radiation.

      • Karyoplasma
        link
        fedilink
        518 hours ago

        That could work if you amped the waves up and trapped them in a confined, isolated space, no?

        • @thingsiplay@beehaw.org
          link
          fedilink
          217 hours ago

          I’m not sure if that’s possible, but if, not in this size. You would probably need an oven in the size of an entire truck maybe? It probably needs lot of energy for both, isolating and transforming/amping the signal. At that point the power going in to transform the signal could be used more efficiently otherwise to achieve the same goal without Wi-fi (as those small microwaves proves it).

    • @tiramichu@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      4216 hours ago

      It doesn’t need it. That’s exactly the point.

      Even though air frying doesn’t need Internet, the manufacturer is restricting that feature as a way to force you to set up the WiFi, so they can then slurp up all your data.

      They’re literally holding the feature hostage, as motivation.

      • @gazter@aussie.zone
        link
        fedilink
        110 hours ago

        Is data on when I turn the oven on, and how long I run it for, even worthwhile? Or do you think it’s sniffing out other info from my network?

        • @CafecitoHippo@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          39 hours ago

          Is data on when I turn the oven on, and how long I run it for, even worthwhile?

          They wouldn’t be holding you hostage for it if it wasn’t.

        • @Trainguyrom@reddthat.com
          link
          fedilink
          English
          35 hours ago

          I’ve honestly come to the conclusion that some companies have management that actually believes its worth while to collect the most meaningless telemetry data, even after the ridiculous cost of bandwidth, database storage, hosting, etc. which all become more bonkers the larger the dataset. I’ve seen the cloud bills for actual useful data, I don’t want think about how much they must be paying AWS/Azure/GCP to host such worthless data. There’s no way its at all profitable to do so

  • Admiral Patrick
    link
    fedilink
    English
    4219 hours ago

    That’s a big, honking “no” from me.

    It’d be one thing if the “smart” features were there but only supplemented the basic functionality. It’s another entirely for those basic features to require an internet connection.

    Out of curiosity, did the product description indicate the internet connection was required? I’m soon to be replacing some appliances and want to know what to look out for (besides all mentions of “wifi” or “smart”).

  • Hadouken Shoryuken
    link
    fedilink
    English
    1011 hours ago

    I wonder if they will eventually make a toilet bowl to connect to the Internet. Can’t flush until you connects to the Internet just because…

    • @InevitableList@beehaw.org
      link
      fedilink
      47 hours ago

      There are toilets that analyse your waste and send the results to your doctor. They ID you by scanning your anus since everyone’s anus is unique. Maybe one day the results can be sent to your kitchen and your fridge and airfryer can deny you access to unhealthy foods when your toilet tells them to.

      • @Dalvoron@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        510 hours ago

        AI will analyse video of dirty bums and generate the exact pressure and aim required to get them clean.

        • @Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca
          link
          fedilink
          210 hours ago

          For that to work some people have to get too much pressure. Your clean ass will have been built on the live lost to excessive bidet pressure.

      • Hadouken Shoryuken
        link
        fedilink
        English
        19 hours ago

        Lol I hope you are right. Or else I will have to make sure the Internet is working before going to washroom.

  • @stoy@lemmy.zip
    link
    fedilink
    518 hours ago

    Any smart feature must be optional.

    I have smart lights at home, none is required to get light in the rooms, they are only used for mood lighting.

    • Vodulas [they/them]
      link
      fedilink
      815 hours ago

      We have a lot of smart plugs that we use for plant timers. They are way more accurate than the old school notched wheel ones and we can set them to actual sunrise and sunset. They also can just be turned on and used like a switch if the internet goes out

  • @Mr_Blott@feddit.uk
    link
    fedilink
    6616 hours ago

    If you didn’t immediately take this back and demand a refund you’re part of the reason enshittification is getting worse

    Or American with fuck all in the way of consumer rights, one of the two

  • @zante@slrpnk.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    318 hours ago

    It’s so the AI can reminder you to buy chicken nuggets, if you plan on having them every night next week as well.

  • @hddsx@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    518 hours ago

    Ugh I see CAFE in all caps and all I can think of corporate average fuel economy

  • @rekabis@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    2110 hours ago

    My microwave is a 1977 Amanda Radarange. It can boil a cup of water in ⅕ of the time a modern microwave can.

    Now granted, it has zero fancy settings and a simple number pad that does nothing but set how long you want the microwave to run.

    But honestly, this simplicity is a large part of it’s charm. No connectivity needs, no features locked behind paywalls, no extraneous bullshit or never-used features. Just a tool that does only one thing, and does it exceptionally well.

    • Doom
      link
      fedilink
      510 hours ago

      Does it let you control the power level at all? If it does then no issues. If it can’t, hardly an issue.

  • Karyoplasma
    link
    fedilink
    618 hours ago

    They are smart because they know how to spy on you without telling you.