Luigi Mangione shouts a message to the American people on his way to court:

“This is completely unjust and an insult to the intelligence of the American people and their lived experience.”

      • @Darkard@lemmy.world
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        7217 days ago

        In his mugshot they put him in a vest reserved for people who are a suicide risk. He is definitely going to get Epsteined

          • @lemmylommy@lemmy.world
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            Not a straightjacket. More like a shitty shirt made from fabric you can’t tear to strangle yourself with. The real problem could be the conditions of suicide watch. Those can be torture and drive you insane, depending on the place.

          • Drusas
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            No, it’s got like velcro on the shoulders or something from the look of it. I guess the idea is you can’t strangle yourself with it? I don’t know.

      • Cyborganism
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        2017 days ago

        Why would they do that? What would be the point of killing an (presumably) innocent man if the killer is still on the loose?

        • @Fredselfish@lemmy.world
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          To send a message and to look like they solved the crime. They feel confident the real killer will stay hidden or has left the country.

          • Flying Squid
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            If the killer is still on the loose, the case is not closed and there is literally still a loose end.

            • @gibmiser@lemmy.world
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              They asked why they would kill a patsy. In theory it’s just to placate the public and reduce likelihood of copycats.

              • Flying Squid
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                But if the killer kills again, the case is not closed and it is a loose end.

                It is only closed if this was a one and done.

                • @notabot@lemm.ee
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                  The ‘killer’ died in prison, therefore and new incident must be a copycat by someone who happens to look a lot like him. That’s a brand new case. /s

            • Queen HawlSera
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              116 days ago

              No that’s just a “copycat” who should be shamed for wanting to be like the “Evil” Luigi

        • @MrZee@lemm.ee
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          2016 days ago

          When police think they have right suspect they often do everything they can to prove that person did it. Essentially, once they have their targets set on a suspect, they shift from trying to figure out who may have done it to putting all their resources into finding evidence against the suspect and building the strongest case they can against them. This includes ignoring evidence that is counter to their theory and discontinuing investigation of other leads.

          Their goal at that point is to convict. Because, to them, getting a conviction is success and the person going free is failure. Alternately, getting the person to “commit suicide” is success because they can claim that they were guilty and no trial is necessary.

          It’s all about winning and getting a conviction because conviction=justice=case closed. And that means the public can rest soundly knowing “justice” has been served. Especially after PR has done their work.

          Prosecutors are the same. They treat their job as finding anything and everything to get the conviction. Exculpatory evidence is ignored and buried. If “evidence” is planted/manufactured, they do their best to ignore and hide that fact and make said evidence look real. It’s the defense’s job to prove innocence. In theory, the police should be working to find and provide evidence for both sides, but the police and Prosecutors anre working toward the same goal, leaving the defense severely hindered.

          This is the system that railroads people into conviction. They use the media to amplify their story and make it look like they are infallible. When information comes out that counters the police/prosecutor story, they circle the wagons to protect each other and discredit the information that contradicts them. Because they think that they are the good guys and even if they got something wrong, their original hunch must have been right.

        • @gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          516 days ago

          The Adjustor had 1 target (so far as can be told) and it took almost a WEEK to “catch him”, which took a tip in to police to manage

          It wouldn’t be too out of the question to assume he won’t strike again and that any random fall guy is safe from a repeat attack blowing their plan to shit

        • @Bronzebeard@lemm.ee
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          The wealthy elite want an illusion of consequences for attacking them more than they need actual justice. They didn’t want the plebs thinking they can get away with attacking them, or else more will happen.

        • @Chefdano3@lemm.ee
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          Simple, they want the public to believe that if they follow in the killers footsteps, they will be caught and go through hell in order to dissuade other people who might do the same. There are obviously a lot of people who applaud his actions, so to try to prevent them from getting the idea that they can do this too, they make a show of force to make them think twice.

          In the end it doesn’t matter if Luigi did it or not. As long as people are scared of the pinishment, they will hesitate to imitate.

          Not true justice, but they never really cared about that to begin with.

    • miss phant
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      He definitely says “completely out of touch” (in an italian accent) and I think the fact that he’s saying that to a camera means he’s targeting the CEO-favored news coverage. I’m surprised not more people are picking up on that possibility.

  • Lexam
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    2017 days ago

    What is the the punishment when a Duke’s son kills a Baron?

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      People coming from privilege can still be progressive and want to enact change. I’m not sure why you’re denigrating this man and his actions based solely on the circumstances of his birth.

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        “And yes, I recognize the irony that the very system I oppose affords me the luxury of biting the hand that feeds. But that’s exactly why priviledged fucks like me should feel obliged to whine and kick and scream - until everyone has everything they need.” - Propagandhi, “Resisting Tyrannical Government”

      • @yeahiknow3@lemmings.world
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        Ironically, they’re the ones with the most time and education to figure out the truth. Then their own (wealthy) family will turn on them when they try for change.

          • 🦄🦄🦄
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            If that was true, the american working class would be more class aware.

            • @Sop@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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              Good point. Although in my experience rich people with good education are generally very bad representatives for the working class. The people I’ve met that do the best work regarding unionisation and organising are people who learned about class struggle through personal experience.

    • @EpeeGnome@lemm.ee
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      1316 days ago

      Mangione’s grandparents may be rich, but they’re nowhere near the level of a national company CEO rich. So you’ve got it backwards; this is like a Baron’s grandson killing a Duke.

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      Jihad.

      (I don’t think enough people understood your comment, well done)

    • @4lan@lemmy.world
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      Time to build some guillotines.
      The class war is here, if you are not fighting you are bending over

  • peopleproblems
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    They don’t want him in front of a jury.

    Regardless if it’s him or not. They cannot afford him to get acquitted.

    But they can’t martyr him. That will be a death sentence to the US.

    This isn’t going to end well for anyone. This guy has shown a much darker picture of the US to us that we all know too well.

    • @weeeeum@lemmy.world
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      Yeah, I have a sneaking suspicion that hes going to commit suicide via 2 gunshots to the back of the head, with every security camera in the facility malfunctioning during it and that every other inmate in the vicinity was coincidentally unconscious.

      • @NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world
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        You left off, got the bars off his 4th story cell and fell to his death. Or I guess it could be 12th story with the new prison they wanna build in NY China Town.

      • @solomon42069@lemmy.world
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        Difference is that Epstein got whacked and his /clients/ let it happen.

        Luigi has real fans, who see what he did as a reflection of their own discontent.

        If something happens to him in jail, I believe that would still count as the aforementioned martyrdom.

        • Yup. Epstein getting killed was inevitable, but it’s not like he had many fans; child molesters don’t tend to win popularity contests (unless it’s running for the highest seat in the country…) His death had people upset, but only because it meant he wouldn’t be able to testify against all the billionaires. He was only working against the billionaires because the prosecutors were forcing him to do so.

          But Luigi is a symbol of someone actively working against the billionaires, and killing him will turn him into a martyr.

      • @solomon42069@lemmy.world
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        My dream scenario is a mob marches on the capital cities ready to kill the 1% and Trump pardons Luigi and throws the rest of the wealthy to the mob to save his own ass. I believe Trump would do just about anything to save himself.

        Edit: Updated my silly hypothetical to better explain the idea. I obviously don’t think it’s realistic, but it would be amusing. Esp if it failed to sate the publics rage!

        • @hark@lemmy.world
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          Trump can already pardon himself. Even if he couldn’t, making enemies of the rich wouldn’t help himself, in fact it’d just do the opposite. The ultrawealthy have class solidarity, so Trump was never in actual trouble. They only face consequences if not doing so would majorly harm the collective image of the rich (e.g. this is why Jeffrey Epstein had to die).

          • @jagged_circle@feddit.nl
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            116 days ago

            Where does the wealth go if his competitors are dead? Dude owns casions and hotels. If he offs the competition, that makes him a lot of $

            • @Bronzebeard@lemm.ee
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              216 days ago

              He no longer owns any casinos. Those went bust. Most hotels aren’t even his, he just leased his name out. Killing a CEO doesn’t put the competing company out of business, either.

                • @Bronzebeard@lemm.ee
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                  No. It doesn’t. They already replaced the dead one. You think there aren’t more greedy shits who will roll those dice? Or shareholders who will remain unaffected by the killings?

    • the thing is, I think they can afford for him to be acquitted on the murder charges. the way the evidence was presented, he had a ghost gun and an illegal suppressor as well. whether they were planted or not is still up for debate, but that’s a slam dunk case that they can just give the maximum sentence for and move on. I don’t think the murder charges actually matter. I imagine if they can’t get him on murder we’ll quickly find out he was manufacturing drugs or some of bs charge they can give hime another 20 year sentence for and if the judge rules they can’t be served concurrently then bam, still a life sentence

  • warm
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    American police once again showing to us how unfit for the job they are.

    • @Taco2112@lemmy.world
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      The police in the US are there to protect and serve the 1%, AKA the Oligarchs. It’s be wonderful if they actually wanted to serve and provide safety for their communities. I’m sure there are a few in every city that actually want to do the right thing but as a whole, police are basically only around to protect property and harass anyone they think might be a threat to said property, especially when said property is owned by one of the Oligarchs.

      • @WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world
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        '“This is OCP property!”

        Almost like the original RoboCop was trying to warn us about something. I had a thought but got distracted and can’t remember what it was.

        Oh well, I’ll buy that for a dollar!

      • warm
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        Maybe the (mostly) professionalism from other countries has poisoned my mind and the police should indeed treat everyone as vermin.

          • warm
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            They are there to enforce the law and serve citizens. They are public servants. But in the US they are mostly there to protect the state and uphold their own ideals, yes.

            However I was pointing out the lack of proper training, they immediately rush to get physical and grab the suspect by the neck as soon as they get a chance.

  • @Sam_Bass@lemmy.world
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    law enforcement, the media, and every other avenue that was once impartial enough to havea shot at fair treatment from them have all been bought by the very fatcats that are crying the loudest

  • @yarr@feddit.nl
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    216 days ago

    What does he think is unjust? Hopefully he has some prison writings later that can be analyzed.

      • @yarr@feddit.nl
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        115 days ago

        I don’t believe it does. It’s fairly clear he was the shooter, and shooting someone typically comes with a prison sentence. Care to explain your reasoning further?

  • @codexarcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Obviously they want to make an example. They’ll drag him through the mud in court, reveal that he was sexually deviant, claim he cheated on tests in school, played video games, played d&d, worshipped Satan, on and on. Then, when they’ve dragged the court out long enough to bore people, they’ll execute him publicly and call it justice.

    They won’t epstein him, too obvious and likely to generate martyrdom. Killing him like a “common murderer” shows that “the system works” and that the machinery of the state’s actions are natural and inevitable.

    Or maybe they’ll try to just lock him away forever and get him to write some books to make the prisons a little more money. Works for serial killers, and sales of “How to murder a CEO” will help to defuse revolutionary sentiment by recuperating the murder as an exotic one-off situation. He’s gonna get simple-ricked.

    • @a9cx34udP4ZZ0@lemmy.world
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      That’s a great fantasy, but New York doesn’t have the death penalty, and he didn’t commit a federal crime. He won’t get the death penalty, he’ll likely get first degree murder and serve 30-life assuming they can show he targeted the actual victim and it wasn’t just the first person he saw that looked like they might be a UHG executive.

    • Queen HawlSera
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      3016 days ago

      played video games

      I know you’re joking, but there’s already articles claiming him playing Among Us was proof he was a bad egg.

      • @7toed@midwest.social
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        515 days ago

        He played as an ASSASIN in his college ESports team, terrible right? This tells you everything you need to know so don’t do any more research and certainly this video game was his motive.

  • @Alph4d0g@discuss.tchncs.de
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    Well … um … you reported that he shouted in your headline but didn’t see the irony in what he was saying as you reported it. Nice job, Newsweek for supporting his statement through your actions.