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This does come off a lot like “Let’s all ask God to do the important and urgent things I chose not to do.”
As Dale Carnegie says, prayer is what we try after we’ve exhausted every practical option. If God exists, they clearly want us to do our best with available options before begging them to solve our problems.
(Side note: if God exists, they have a lot to answer for, and there’s non-trivial evidence that they might be a raging asshole. Maybe a stupid choice of ally in the tough times ahead.)
CEOs have a lot of practical options. I don’t know if Pat exhausted those options, but it’s hard to give any CEO the benefit of the doubt after the last decade of pervasive “line must go up regardless of the obvious short, medium and long term consequences for absolutely everyone concerned.”
So pardon me if I’m not impressed with trying to pray away those consequences.
That is a primary intention of the three Abrahamic religions, hence all the old societal law embedded in the texts. Hence why so many prefer cherry picking the laws, even the “believers” know they’re outdated.
They’re intended as a means to rule people but in much much smaller numbers. The population base is far too unwieldy for any of it, and has been for a while.
I’m digressing.
The idea of prayer is embedded in that form of rule. Don’t ask the leadership, ask god. It’s not my fault god didn’t answer your prayers, that’s on you for not having enough faith. Here, let me help you with that by advising you to tighten up your obedience to the societal laws we put in the text, then you can try praying again. Maybe, if you’re good enough, maybe then your prayer will be answered. Just don’t ask me, the leadership, to try to solve it.
It’s a great way to get people to put their heads down and obey the (religious) government. Again though, intended for smaller population at inception.
There are rather more than three Abrahamic religions, there’s also:
- Baha’i (Corrected)
- Rastafari
- Momormonism
Amongst others
While there are certainly some bonkers deviations at the level of theology (Mormonism theology tends to be childishly literal where it departs from Nicene Christianity, as it is at its heart an anti-intellectual and inherently out-group long-con), and of course there are the extra sacred texts and culty tendencies, Mormons view themselves as firmly within the Christian tradition, and they are culturally more in line than not with Christians than other Abrahamic adherents. I think it’s stretching to count them as an entirely different religion.
Muslims also view themselves within christianity, as true followers of a christ which they believe to not be God. They believe that Mohammed restored the true religion, similarly to how Mormons see Joseph Smith as restoring the true religion. The main difference is that Mormons are starting to now use the Christian label- which would be the same if a Christian started claiming to be Muslim (one who submits) or a Protestant using the label “Catholic” (Universal)(Which most mainline Protestants actually do). Doesn’t mean they’re the same religion as a Mohammed-following-Muslim or the same denomination as Roman Catholicism
I think it’s fairer to describe Mormons as nontrinitarian Christians, sort of a “neo-Arian heresy”. They specifically believe Christ to be part of a uniquely divine trinity with God the Father and the Holy Ghost, and that Christ died to redeem humanity and was resurrected (at which point he floated home for the weekend then stopped in on all the Jewish folks living in the Americas, of course).
They also believe he was created as a “first among equals” son of God and, once you tug on a couple of uniquely Mormon threads, that God the Father probably had actual relations with Mary to conceive Jesus’s body, which after resurrection was “perfected” and divine, just like his dad’s.
So anyway, Jesus holds a centrality to Mormon religion in a way he simply doesn’t for Islam, even with the large number of roles Muslims believe Jesus played and will play in the future. While his nature is different for Mormons, his role in their faith is much more analogous to “vanilla” Nicene Christianity. He is part of a tripartite Godhead and is their Savior, and faith in that is necessary for an individual’s salvation.
Thomas Aquinas would roll his eyes at the unexplored repercussions of it all, but Mormons have thirteen “articles of faith” that we were supposed to learn as kids. A lot of the nonsense follows from a half-educated conman in WAY over his head trying to keep it all going and expand his own authority (including the authority to sleep with whomever he wanted) but specifically NOT to move beyond something his adherents would identify as Christian.
Even if he failed at that, and you can argue he did, I would argue that the specifics of the theological niceties only tell part of the story, and the Mormon movement has to be viewed in its cultural context, and Mormons have always self-identified as Christians in a way that was not merely semantic.
LDS Mormons aren’t Arian, they are tritheist.
Mormonism as well contains additional overriding scripture, like how Islam has the Qur’an in comparison with Christianity or how Christianity has the New Testament in comparison with old Judaism. Which seems make them separate religions, as all of these extra scriptures make the faiths significantly different from each other.
All of these religions have God as the centrepoint (although LDS Mormonism could be less so due to it being polytheist)
Yes, Mormonism puts a focus on a character called Jesus who’s somewhat based on Jesus of Nazareth which Islam also does, but there’s also a sect of Hinduism which does the same. Is this Christianity, too?
Okay, I think at some point we’re talking past each other more than to each other. You are clearly much more invested than I am in the relative truth claims, categorization, and internal consistency of various bronze-age mythologies and their propagandized descendants.
You’re drawing bright lines in places that I don’t find particularly interesting as a non-believer more interested in secular history than apologetic theology. Still, I suspect the bright lines are very important in that context. If you would like to claim this one as a win, please feel free. Have a lovely weekend!
actual relations with Mary
you can say rape on lemmy
Using they/them when referring to the Christian god. Perfect.
Yep. I figure God can put their pronouns in a quick update (no doubt written in flames on a wall somewhere - basic courtesy, nowadays), or is probably content with the neutral terms.
The Bible wasn’t written with gendered pronouns. Although God did choose to become a man, so I think this justifies the He/Him pronouns
Jesus was trans. He identified as male, but given the circumstances of his birth, he could only have X chromosomes…
This gives another point- Jesus must have gotten the Y chromosome from the Holy Spirit, so the Holy Spirit must also be male. Referred to God the Father as “Father”, too. So the whole Trinity is male, therefore the Christian God can’t really be described as not Male.
He actually had what seemed like a pretty good long term plan. Buuut probably beacuse the line did not go up in the short to medium term he was ousted. I think ( Im not really sure why they fired him ).
Eat the rich.
The French invented a tool which checks if they’re made of cake or not
“If we pray hard enough then God will swoop down from heaven and raise your salary”
And if you’re too hard-hit as an employee, you can always fast to save money.
So to save money you recommend the poors to starve. Aye aye AdmiralPrick!
If he said, “Every Thursday I do a 24-hour voodoo dance and shake my magic rattle,” he would be called a loon.
“people who confirm to the majority culture are considered more normal than those who don’t” thanks for that insight.
The CEO of a company asking his employees to fast and pray with them is absolutely not the majority culture nor is it normal. That’s fucking weird. This guy is a loon
Two thirds of American adults identify at Christian. That’s about 3x the total number of people who practice Voodoo worldwide. So yeah Christian practices are “normal” to most an Americans and Voodoo isn’t…
Christian practices have nothing to do with the idea of a CEO telling you to fast and pray. That’s not normal. You can dance around it all you want but it’s fucking weird.
Those are literally core tennets of Christianity. It doesn’t matter if I think it’s weird, or you think it’s weird, most people are gonna be ok with it.
No, most people are not okay with it. We don’t live in a theocracy. It ain’t normal. Stop trying to normalize it.
I’m just trying to figure out what you mean by “Christian practices” that doesn’t include a prayer or fasting.
Is taking orders from the CEO of Intel a core tennet of Christianity?
It’s fucking weird.
In 2013, Gelsinger co-founded Transforming the Bay with Christ (TBC), a coalition of business leaders, venture capitalists, non-profit leaders and pastors that aims to convert one million people over the next decade. He helped establish the Sacramento-area Christian institution William Jessup University from which he also received an honorary doctorate.
Sweet zombie jesus… 🙄
Infiltrate.
Subvert.
Corrupt.
Destroy.
Do to their instituions what they did to others.
moore is rolling in his grave.
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Da fuq is wrong with you?
Peaceful protest isn’t working dude. Time to put some fear into these leeches
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The only ones “sick in the head” are the fucking psychopaths who run this country. They kill millions of people each year for the sake of profit, and yet I never hear media calling them “sick in the head”. By DSM definition , they would be psychopaths. A legitimate mental illness. And I have zero sympathy for those who take advantage of their fellow humans for their own selfish benefits. In any normal society, they would not be allowed to exist. And when the functioning of a society is not being fixed through non-violent methods, what else are we supposed to do? I’m genuinely asking.
If I am “sick in the head”, then so are many, many others. And if many others feel the same way I do, then that means it is not the individual who is “sick”. It is society that is “sick”. And sometimes the only way to beat a parasitic infection is to crank up the heat and get rid of them. So I think it’s time we crank the heat up and start demanding a society that puts the human spirit first instead of profits for the few.
**responding here to your deleted comment calling me “sick in the head” since I can’t respond to a deleted comment.
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Well fucking said.
Dumbfucks that failed upwards and then started kicking apart our nation’s support systems.
Especially when they try get me to pray and fast with with them so I forget that they did it.
I hope someone makes a Tiktok account where they post videos of terrified CEOs sprinting to their cars followed by bored looking security detail.
I don’t know how to not be insulted by this and I really worry about anyone person who read that and agreed with him.
What’s the problem? Praying so people don’t lose their job?
Who let Nigel Farage out of his cage?
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Fuck you Mr Gelsinger
Corporate wellness has a new look for the Trump era
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Something tells me his name has been added to some vigilante list with the current CEO climate.
How tone deaf can you be?
