Microsoft, apple, google, meta, amazon, tencent what was preventing them to buy twitter?

  • @Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
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    731 month ago

    Even before musk bought it, it was a house of cards. At no point in it’s history since it’s creation has it EVER made money. It was ALWAYS a money loser. That’s why they were trying to sell it in the first place. It had value, but nothing close to 43 BILLION dollars.

    It was assumed to sell for a few hundred million before musk ran his mouth, and joked that he’d do it for 43 billion. Then he took the joke as far as signing legal paperwork, then bitched that he HAD to now buy it for his joke price of 43 billion.

    And now you read daily how much money it’s losing. Firstly because even if he paid a fair price for it, AND ran it perfectly, it would still be losing money. But he bought it for 43 BILLION dollars, and from day one publically harassed advertisers saying he doesn’t need them.

    Well, even under perfect conditions, the advertisers were the only thing keeping twitters losses pre-musk at a minimum. They were losing about 13 million a year since 2008. And now it was adding up.

    But now you got advertisers to go fuck themself. And they leave. Then he alienates twitters at the time core leftist by…well existing. And now you got all these people leaving twitter in droves. So now, even for the advertisers that remain, twitters reach loses 40% of it’s value. Which means advertisers aren’t willing to pay old rates. Which means less revenue.

    And all these other companies, before musk bought it, looked at an unprofitable social media site, then remembered how MySpace went, and thought “…no.”

    • davel [he/him]
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      581 month ago

      Musk didn’t buy Twitter to make money, he bought it to control the narrative. To censor some voices and amplify others.

      And now he’s our shadow president.

    • @RedditWanderer@lemmy.world
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      He wasn’t just a joke, musk was legally forced to make his deal real to avoid having manipulated the market and potentially go to prison. This was before he became POTUS . If it happened today he would just tell the courts to fuck off and replace those who aren’t loyal without ever actually buying twitter

    • @nave@lemmy.ca
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      111 month ago

      At no point in it’s history since it’s creation has it EVER made money.

      Actually they did make money in 2018 and 2019 but then the pandemic caused advertisers to cut spending.

    • 3DMVR
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      31 month ago

      Twitter was developing the at protocol and bluesky, think they always saw it eventually dying and had bluesky as their backup

    • @index@sh.itjust.worksOP
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      21 month ago

      It had value, but nothing close to 43 BILLION dollars.

      43 billions is peanuts compared to the 3 trillions apple and microsoft market cap. Twitter is one of the biggest social network in the world and the one more used by politicians. It has plenty of value even if not making profits, everyone know how it works.

      And now you read daily how much money it’s losing.

      Last time i hear about him he was talking over the president, as expected from owning one of the biggest social networks in the world he isn’t losing much.

      • I Cast Fist
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        31 month ago

        It has plenty of value even if not making profits, everyone know how it works.

        That is true and also applies to Youtube,. However, remember that shareholder mentality is “MONY NAO!!! FUCK THE FUTURE”. CEOs would have to make a very good case for buying a money sink with very little chance of becoming profitable. Elon bought the company as an individual, so he didn’t have to answer to a board of directors or shareholders complaining about reduced quarterly profits

    • @index@sh.itjust.worksOP
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      41 month ago

      Doesn’t make much business sense for megacorps to buy one of the biggest social media that allowed his new ceo a place in the white house?

      • @interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
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        151 month ago

        It is consideted crass by the megarich to use their new money to overtly purchase politicians. They prefer to do it behind closed doors, mostly to keeo them cheap

      • @RedditWanderer@lemmy.world
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        Twitter was never profitable until data was worth enough and even then…

        Musk tried to pump and dump the stock by saying it was worth much more than it was. Then he immediately got sued because if you manipulate the market like that and have the cash to pay, you have to or it’s considered a crime. Musk then tried to back out, shareholders threaten to sue, and he pretended he actually didnt wanna back out and bought it.

        He purchased it at twice its market value and has since not only cut 80% of staff, but also lost 80% of its original value (not the double musk paid)…

        Twitter only had value to musk because he wanted to use it as a disinformation tool to help SA/Russia/China. He immediately made it a right wing platform where this content is more valuable. It was a dumb decision, still has a dumb business plan and a fuckton of debts. The only reason it didn’t disappear completely is Musk is too rich, but it’s trending down. It’s projected to grow as the US becomes an oligarchy but not because it has real value. Musk wants to turn it into Facebook+ Cash app

        Buying twitter was all in all a terrible business move and mostly to stroke elons ego. Sadly this is “too big to fail” territory

        • redrum
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          11 month ago

          Twitter only had value to musk because he wanted to use it as a disinformation tool to help SA/Russia/China.

          🤦🏼

          • @RedditWanderer@lemmy.world
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            41 month ago

            Why am i not surprised to immediately find garbage like “genocide Joe” in your post history.

            You couldn’t even formulate an argument. Thanks for making it obvious why to block

            • redrum
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              11 month ago

              Sorry for the poor quality of that response. But I did not have much time at the time, and it’s hard for me to write in English (it’s not my native language). I thought it was important to point out that in your post, well argued in general, you had introduced a statement without arguments that I don’t think fits reality.[1].

              Although this may be a licence to give more force to an argument, I find it especially alarming when this is aligned with the construction of a narrative to promote American imperialism —Yankee anti-imperialism as my subjective position— with an argument with a clearly racist bias —for example: removing the whiteness and Europeaness of ethnic Russians, inciting hatred of Asians, especially those of Han ethnicity and those of Chinese origin—. All of this promotes the fascist drift of the USA and its Western allies.

              In any case, and to clarify, I am not accusing you of doing so intentionally, but rather that these types of statements, which seem to me to be at the level of QAnon or flat-earthers, strengthen this fascist drift. BTW, I would have upvoted it without that phrase.


              1. Elon Musk lives in the USA, is a member of the US government, has not disagreed (or I am not aware of it) with the tariffs on China or Russia, most of his businesses are based in the USA, he has used the Skyline satellites concurrently with the geostrategic interests of the USA —at least in Ukraine and Iran—,… He could be a detestable human being and an opportunist politician, but their interests seem aligned with the new techno-aristocrat group of the states-unitians oligarchy-only party, now controlled by their Republican faction. ↩︎

        • @index@sh.itjust.worksOP
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          21 month ago

          Twitter is one of the biggest social networks in the world and the most used by politicians worldwide. It’s quite obvious that his position allowed him to get more votes to his party.

        • I Cast Fist
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          21 month ago

          Because it most definitely did. trump was banned from twitter, musk bought twitter and reinstated trump’s account. This little favor definitely allowed the two to get closer.

  • 🔰Hurling⚜️Durling🔱
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    231 month ago

    Because Twitter (as an investment) is terrible because of the lack of revenue it has. Musk just bought it because his investment wasn’t for twitter’s success, but to get into the white house.

  • @xmunk@sh.itjust.works
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    91 month ago

    It’s completely unprofitable and I remain of the opinion that Musk bought it to break Grimes’ toy and then lucked into the fact that he had a huge propaganda engine.

      • @xmunk@sh.itjust.works
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        81 month ago

        These people are really fucking stupid. Musk said confidently that the government doesn’t use SQL.

        I don’t think you specifically are doing it out of praise and glorification but people love mythologize tech people. Jeff Bezos is actually incredibly smart holding multiple degrees and, by account a savvy businessman… Musk is a fucking idiot that lucked into money, has terrible ideas and acumen, won the lottery with PayPal and has built a castle of lies to sustain his wealth.

        If the purchase was done with intention to propagandize it certainly wasn’t that ass clown’s idea.

        He absolutely is a fascist though - but most of his ideas are probably just regurgitated from Peter Thiel.

    • That Annoying Vegan
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      41 month ago

      Nope. It got musk into the White House. Bad investment for the populace, but good investment for drumpf and musk

    • @sibachian@lemmy.ml
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      11 month ago

      watch musk turn the “savings” from “DOGE” efforts into a gov purchase of twitter at twice what he paid, with the argument that they plan to nationalize a digital platform for communication between politicians and voters, while tying a privatized transactions system to the platform where he siphons a small percentage of every transactions ever done by an american henceforth.

  • venotic
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    71 month ago

    Because there’s really nothing worth investing in, with people who just scream at eachother all day. The only social media platform that is probably worth acquiring in their eyes is Facebook because Facebook actually has more going for them and has acquired other companies too. Twitter was just…Twitter.

  • @CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org
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    1 month ago

    For one thing, Musk’s offer was thought to be very generous. He was also a lone billionaire who didn’t need to worry about it blowing back on him somehow if the deal fell through, as opposed to a CEO who’s actually accountable to someone.

    Another billionaire could have done it, I guess, but there’s like ten guys who were rich enough and only one was Elon Musk.

  • suoko
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    41 month ago

    Sell, fork, start from scratch, climb the ladder, sell, fork, start from scratch, climb…

  • themeatbridge
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    41 month ago

    Musk massively overpayed for Twitter. They wouldn’t have sold the company, but Musk made a ridiculous offer and they accepted. Then he tried to back out of it, and the court forced him to follow through. But he didn’t have enough money to match his offer, so he had to find some investors willing to bail him out because they wanted him to kill the platform for them.