• @ramble81@lemm.ee
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    This is a similar argument I make when asking people if they truly believe in god and the religion they do or if it was just indoctrination due to who they were born to. A lot don’t like the cognitive dissonance of thinking about what would have happened if they were born in India

    • @WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today
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      I like to remind them about the devout girl that was kept in a basement and sexually abused by her father. Whatever she did to “deserve it”, they certainly did worse, so they should go through the same. But I personally refuse to worship such a god.

  • ThePowerOfGeek
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    3923 days ago

    Why is the Canadian baby so unhappy? Shouldn’t they be happy? Or at least saying “sorry!”?

  • @Heyting@lemmy.ml
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    The Russians I know are proud of being Russian. They have an interesting history with many (non war related) achievements. The war with Ukraine doesn’t define the Russian people. Also, (working class) Russian people are very welcoming to guests and selfless from my experience.

    • @fl42v@lemmy.ml
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      I’m neither proud nor ashamed of being a Russian, personally, given it’s a simple fact. Although, I also have a hard time understanding feeling pride (or shame) for something I wasn’t a part of (as in, a member of a team of researchers who discovered XYZ, not some arbitrary stuff like nationalities)

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      Most people are trying to be somewhat proud of their country of origin. And basically every country in the world does have some cool stuff in their history to be proud of. Be it Russia, Germany, the USA - every country’s history has dark sides as well as achievements (non political) to be proud of. At the end of the day, it is a longing for community and identification with one’s community. If you are Russian, as a part of Russia, then it is also your people, your homies, who built sputnik or sent Jury Gagarin into space.

      At the same time, overidentification with a national identity is odd in itself. You may be proud that your country invented something 100 years ago or pioneered into space, has cool traditional clothing or dances, but this has little to do with you specifically, or with the state of the country today.

      People who say they are ashamed to be Russian (or any other nationality) usually say this in reference to either the negatives in their country’s history (e.g. slavery in the US, WWII in Germany, Stalinism in Soviet Russia), or in reference to their current government. But a government is not the same as the people, history and culture.

      But most importantly, these things don’t exclude each other. You can both be proud to be a Russian as in not hating your genes, your heritage, your identity and ancestry, cherrypicking achievements and parts of culture, as well as condemn the current government and state of the country, while simultaneously seeing your nationality as an abstract part of your identity. Your passport or your MyHeritage results do not make you who you are. What you believe in, what you care about and how you act do.

        • @MadhuGururajan@programming.dev
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          422 days ago

          Its not a joke if it is true… even if it is because of artificially induced conditions. Nobody argues that it wouldn’t be a boon being born in the EU for instance.

        • @Nelots@lemm.ee
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          But certain countries are better to be born into than others. Like, I would hate to be reincarnated into North Korea or Russia. This has nothing to do with the people themselves, but rather the rules and rulers of the country. It’s not racism to dislike the idea of being born without basic rights.

          • @happydoors@lemm.ee
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            422 days ago

            My bad. I just don’t like generalizing large swaths of people and places as better/worse. Just feels like a slippery slope to saying “all Russians bad” or whatever groups of people because you believe are worse off. I get the point, I still think it’s problematic. I’m sorry

            • You’re not wrong. It’s really pumping up a degree of nationalism that is unhealthy to take for granted. If you change out ‘Russia’ for other countries you start see the baby’s reaction relies on prejudices on politics and current events. If it was ‘Mexico’ or ‘China’ it suddenly feels a little more racist.

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                It’s not racism, nor is it nationalism. I live in America, it fucking sucks here and I’d like to leave. But it’s still better than North Korea by leaps and bounds, and I would choose to be born here again if those were the only choices. Same with Russia, same with China.

                Are you really trying to defend the living conditions in a country like North Korea? It’s not racist to say it sucks there, that’s just a fact.

                • In that line of thinking: what does the comic say if ‘Russia’ is exchanged for ‘North Korea’? Is the point of the comic just to flatly express that one nation state sucks in comparison? If so, that’s kind of a shitty sentiment–and dare I say nationalistic.