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It’s a bit sad that most of the wins we can celebrate recently are basically “narrowly avoiding a far-right triumph” but hey, I’ll take it. Happy for Austria. Hope the new government can show competent leadership.
I’m afraid those centrist governments are just kicking can down the road and we’ll be getting less lucky as time goes on.
Yep. Case in point: America.
learn from us. enforce consequences on the political corruption of nazis
But that would mean that the not-quite-fascist conservative establishment would also face consequences for corruption, and we can’t have that because the not-quite-fascist conservative establishment are the good guys that protect you from evil communists, you know?
(/s, just in case)
i find it frustrating how unaware the centrists are that they’re absolutely going up against the wall, just like the rest of us. but they’d rather have cushy jobs than not get executed
The issue is not that there are no people who know what the right thing to do would be. It’s that those people don’t end up in powerful-enough positions.
That’s clearly by design, too 😐 who could possibly give up all the time and money and has the amount of influence and power to get there in the first place? All the real money is centralized in the wrong hands at this point, and they will gladly gatekeep
How powerful of a position do you need to posses in order to start a riot?
I was referring to people who, from their position would be able to take formal action.
In Germany, the resurgence of Die Linke (a hard-left party who reject the prevailing wisdom that there is organic demand for far-right policies and the way to beat the fash is by stealing their policies and presenting them in a more acceptable form) at a time when the Social Democrats (who did exactly that) lost votes may be a beacon of hope.
Sobs in Netherlands. Thanks Yesilgöz
Like for any country with a “cordon sanitaire” as we call it in Belgium, this coalition now needs to address the fundamental reason motivating people to vote for the far right. If they fail to do so, the far right will gain points elections after elections until they reach the outright majority.
People keep saying this but never provide a solution. Restricting immigration does not work. Adopting far right policies does not work. The far right gets stronger because of misinformation, social media and the ongoing economic downturn in western nations. This is not something that can be fixed by one government alone.
You pivot left. You give in to the left. You become leftist. Liberalism cannot cope with fascism.
People lay blame on immigrants but the issues they talk about are very much real. The reason coalitions like this fail is because the center and conservative parts of them block any change that would actually address the root causes.
Ah yes, the very real and common problem of checks notes trans people in sports/bathrooms/existing in general
Not a policymaker but I’d guess the cause of the far right appeal is linked to
- Growing inequalities, enrichment of the richest, and trickle up
- Unchecked power of big tech and media companies like GAFAM, X, and traditional media being centralized in ownership.
Both can be tackled by regulations at the EU level.
Edit: actually, centralization/monopolization seems on the rise, no? Be it tech, media, food, transportation…
Those don’t work because these issues are not the actual reasons for far right votes. Wealth inequality is. Your kids not having it better than you anymore is. Rising cost of living and stagnating wages are. Right wing voters see these issues and blame them on immigrants, but fixing them with strong progressive policies and actually improving living situations for the majority would go a long way in reducing those numbers.
It’s just that conservatives don’t want to do that because it would cost their donors money.
The problem is social media. It amplifies certain problems so they look worse than they seem and also manufacturers ones that don’t exist at all all to promote far right.
And this isn’t a coincidence. This is purposefully astroturfed by Russia. Notice that most of far right groups (all?) strangely are pro Russia.
And yes, there are actual issues they exploit, but they blame them on immigrants, LGBT, woke, whatever when the real cause why it is getting worse is corruption and disappearance of a middle class.
As an Austrian I completely agree with you… but at the same time a sad chuckle escaped my throat.
We all know they won’t.
Article about how the Danish left appeased the far right https://t.co/stX8vPkgn4
Yeah, and now we have the party of conservatives that never lead any positive change, the fossilised socialists that kinda forgot they’re supposed to make stuff better for non-business owners and the “modern” economists that want to privatise everything.
Idk guys, but the choices here currently are between a new hitler or the same shit that caused the rise of our new hitler in the first place.
The only sane person in our government is our federal president, which is soon up for election again, where the far right will have a good chance of winning, because people here are mostly misinformed and full of hate.
At least van der Bellen has demonstrated many times now that the president is absolutely crucial in keeping democracy working.
True. He also demonstrated how absolutely radicalised the FPÖ are, by assigning them the contract to form a government and then having them fail because they refuse to compromise with anyone.
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This comment confuses me. So in your opinion, in a proper good non-failing democracy should getting less than 29% of the votes mean you get to rule over everybody and make decisions without anybody interferring? So then in other words, <29% of the population should get to decide who rules alone over 100% of the population? That sounds like it’d be a very counter-productive system.
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collations that ignore the first choice are not legitimate
Why so? Why do you assume that one party should arbitrarily be given more rights/power than others? Where does this idea come from?
Imagine an even more extreme example. Assume the winning party had 5% of the votes and most other parties had around 4-5% of the votes. Then assume that the winning party is unable to convince any other parties to enter into a coalition with them. Should all other parties not be allowed to make a coalition to represent 95% of the voters? Should the “winning” party be allowed to block this? Why should such deadlocks be allowed? What is the argument behind this?
Also, consider the hypotherical case where the Kill All Kittens party wins the most votes, but at 30%, thankfully, it doesn’t have a majority. Understandably, none of the other parties want to form a coalition with this party. Should they be forced to? Should we start killing kittens, even though a majority didn’t vote for that?
They had an opportunity to form a government, they failed. What should have happened in your opinion?
Leaving aside the argument about “legitimacy”, how the fuck would that even work when they’re unable to form a coalition with other parties? Should other parties somehow be forced to work with them and adopt their positions? Hardly democratic. Should they form a government alone? They’d never be functional as they couldn’t pass any laws.
If a coalition represents 78% of the vote they should have run together in the first place. Problem solved.
So you actually want a shitty two-party system like in the US, where to only option to prevent the fascists is voting the “lesser evil”?
And that worked out really well…
They “won” with under 30% of votes … I would argue it’d be a greater failure of democracy if that minority gets to to run the country for 5 years when no one wants to work with them.
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Every government was gonna rule over unreasonable psychopaths, mindless rapists, ruthless murderers. Every government rules over people they fundamentally can’t work with… That’s not the weird part.
The options were either: the other parties align with them — which wasn’t going to happen, as nobody wants to work with them due to their extreme positions — or the other parties create a majority coalition within themselves. What happened was that the majority of the votes are in leadership. That’s democracy.
if those people are fascists, then yes
Why should the party with a relative majority automatically get into power if an absolute majority of people voted against them?
thread starter is intentionally not understanding parliamentary voting systems because they are far right and will say anything at all that lends credence to their ideology. it’s quite simple really: the right does not discuss politics in good faith
Your posts in this thread show you have no understanding of the concept of democracy.
Have you considered sueing your school?
The party shouldn’t be allowed to exist in a democracy. That’s the only failure here.
