• Sophocles@infosec.pub
    57·
    1 年前

    I still don’t see Mozilla as a bad actor, especially in comparison with the villany that is google and microsoft. It’s still a great alternative for privacy newbies and average users, although I personally made the switch to librewolf (desktop) and iceraven (mobile) a while ago. Both being forks of firefox, development for actual firefox is essential for either of these to survive, so Mozilla still has my support albeit indirectly

    • zecg@lemmy.world
      23·
      1 年前

      Librewolf / IronFox for me, Mozilla can fuck right off with their cloud services, added value and hunger for telemetry. Their 2% userbase is about to shrink even further.

    • acockworkorange@mander.xyz
      3·
      1 年前

      Mozilla’s only reason of existence right now is so that Google can skirt an antitrust case.

      Edit: to be clear, that in itself makes it a bad actor.

      • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        1·
        1 年前

        I don’t subscribe to this theory.

        They don’t need to keep firefox on life support to avoid an antitrust case. A chromium fork could serve the same purpose.

        • acockworkorange@mander.xyz
          1·
          1 年前

          That might be true, but the fact that the competitor is using their engine as base could be used against them. It also doesn’t change the fact that they have Mozilla wrapped around their finger.

          • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            1·
            1 年前

            the fact that the competitor is using their engine as base could be used against them

            Not really.

            they have Mozilla wrapped around their finger

            There’s not really any evidence of that. Sure Mozilla has done some stupid things, and they’re not the champions of internet privacy we would like them to be, but it’s really just hyperbole to say they’re wrapped around google’s finger.

            • acockworkorange@mander.xyz
              1·
              1 年前

              I guess we just disagree what kind of influence having your company derive 90% of its income from a competitor can have.

    • Ledericas@lemm.eeEnglish
      1·
      1 年前

      i have ironfox on android, and you can use alternative to google play, apparently google has secretely downloaded an app" which scans your phones and sends it to google.

    • MajorHavoc@programming.dev
      5·
      1 年前

      Nice. I’ve been there, and changing just a bit at a time has added up to my computing now being in a state I’m much happier with.

    • thisismyname@lemm.eeEnglish
      4·
      1 年前

      Linux Mint. You’ll get a thousand other recommendations which you can perhaps explore once you’re more comfortable with Linux but for the easiest most Windows-like experience just get Mint.

      You don’t even need to ditch Windows completely, if you’re uncomfortable with that, because you can dual boot meaning when you turn your PC on it asks would you like to open Windows or Linux

      If you don’t like it, well, at least you tried. I think you’ll have a great time though exploring free software to do tasks you would have had to pay or subscribe to previously.

      Take your time, ask questions on forums if you need to, and most importantly, enjoy it. Enjoy the experience of learning how computers actually work, enjoy personalising your machine to truly be your machine.

      Good luck, and have fun!

  • merthyr1831@lemmy.mlEnglish
    16·
    1 年前

    Nope.

    Not that I don’t think it’s a dumb move from Mozilla, but the options right now are:

    • Stay with Firefox
    • Move to a Firefox-based browser

    Especially since I use Mozilla’s services I’m sorta in their ecosystem right now. Maybe once I’ve moved passwords off I can consider moving, but even then on Android the only browser that supports uBlock is Firefox afaik, which makes it my YouTube client of choice.

    • JPAKx4@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      16·
      1 年前

      100% recommend moving off firefox’s password manager, as it’s generally much more insecure than something like Bitwarden

        • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          2·
          1 年前

          I’ve been using keepassxc for the last few years.

          It’s just an encrypted file you sync however you like. I use syncthing.

        • yyprum@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          2·
          1 年前

          Ideally, but bitwarden is a great in between solution, you can always export everything later to your self hosted solution of choice.

        • sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          1·
          1 年前

          I ended up going from Firefox to Proton Pass – and even though Proton is doing some sus things as a company politically, moving off Mastodon, etc., it was painless to export passwords from Firefox, import them into Proton Pass, and then use the Proton Pass extension / app across all devices.

          It’s unfortunate for Mozilla, their password manager was the first I ever used, but they let it lag so far behind they lost me as a user. Proton is way better. I’m sure other things are too.

      • merthyr1831@lemmy.mlEnglish
        1·
        1 年前

        I mean if Im on mozilla’s code im on mozilla’s code no matter what fork that is. Feels like decrying a policy in Arch Linux so you move to Manjaro.

        Of course there’s no real alternative engines either. Either Chromium where they’re shuttering Manifest V2 or Webkit which is under Apple so until Ladybird is up there I’m not sure about migrating to a fork.

        • ReversalHatchery@beehaw.orgEnglish
          1·
          1 年前

          Chromium has much worse issues. that engine never really had any advantages in privacy either, on the contrary: uBlock Origin (not lite) has a wiki page on its github repo that talks about some of chromium’s disadvantages for addon capabilities, and that was written with Mv2 in mind.

          and that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

        • ReversalHatchery@beehaw.orgEnglish
          1·
          1 年前

          also, the new ToS does not apply for the source code, so forks are relatively safe for now.

          relatively, because librewolf is being kept alive by its automated build processes and relatively good maintainability, and what else is there other than the young forks like zen and floorp

          https://beehaw.org/comment/4268300

  • Fitik@fedia.io
    11·
    1 年前

    Not yet, they’re still the best option that doesn’t use Chromium (I don’t count Safari), but Servo is looking pretty promising

  • e0qdk@reddthat.com
    10·
    1 年前

    Yes.

    Short term – I’ll probably be moving to LibreWolf, most likely. I’m planning to spend a good chunk of time this weekend reviewing what exactly their fork does. I’ve read their self-description already – and like it – but I want to look through the code and try to build it myself before I start depending on it.

    Long term – I’ll be keeping my eye on Servo and Ladybird.

      • e0qdk@reddthat.com
        3·
        1 年前

        Thanks for the pointer. As I said, I need to spend a good chunk of time reviewing exactly what they’ve done before I feel confident enough to depend on it. A simple reconfiguration of stock Firefox that I am confident does not phone home is likely good enough for me in the short term.

        If you have a better solution though, please let us know what it is.

  • shaytan@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
    10·
    1 年前

    I’m staying on this side, but probably switching to a fork like Librewolf

    I’ve previously used Floorp which is feature rich but not polished, and same goes for Zen

  • Andromxda 🇺🇦🇵🇸🇹🇼@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    9·
    1 年前

    No, because I haven’t used mainline Firefox in years.
    I’m pretty happy with LibreWolf on desktop and IronFox (available on Accrescent btw!) on Android (GrapheneOS)

    Unfortunately it’s still much less secure than Chromium, but I want and need a proper adblocker to maintain my freedom online. And I’m definitely not using Brave…

    The only kinda usable Chromium browsers are Ungoogled Chromium and Trivalent. I think I might try building Trivalent on macOS at some point. Maybe also gonna apply some patches from Thorium, as long as they don’t compromise security.

  • BlackEco@lemmy.blackeco.com
    6·
    1 年前

    Well, I have been using Zen, a Firefox fork for the past 6 months, and they have yet to clarify their stance on the ToS update.

    Anyway, I don’t think I’ll change anyway, we need Gecko in the browser engine landscape and I have been so used to Firefox’S UI and flexibility that I have a hard time imagining myself not using a Firefox-based browser.

  • Zikeji@programming.devEnglish
    5·
    1 年前

    Coincidentally, I just found out about Floorp yesterday, in no relation to this ToS change, and will take a look at it soon. Keep in mind I haven’t looked at all yet, so I have no clue if they have a worse ToS or something.

  • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
    5·
    1 年前

    Maybe, but I’ll stay on the non-Chromium end of things. I’ll definitely try out some competitors, such as:

    • Mullvad Browser
    • Zen
    • LadyBird

    I still support engine diversity, but that doesn’t have to be mainline Firefox.

    That said, I don’t think the TOS is as bad as people claim, so I’m in no rush.

    • apex32@lemmy.world
      3·
      1 年前

      I was trying out Mullvad Browser and clicked on a Discord link and it launched the Discord app on my computer.

      I was shocked that a security-oriented browser would launch an external application without warning by default. Even Chrome prompts the user first.