Summary

Donald Trump’s name appears in Jeffrey Epstein’s recently released flight logs seven times, including flights in 1993 and 1994, some with his then-wife Marla Maples and daughter Tiffany.

The documents were released by Attorney General Pam Bondi, who stated this was the first phase of disclosures regarding Epstein’s network.

Bondi requested additional FBI records on Epstein, citing thousands of undisclosed pages.

Epstein, who died in 2019, had connections to Trump, Bill Clinton, and Prince Andrew, though no wrongdoing by Trump has been alleged.

  • @Obelix@feddit.org
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    2702 months ago

    Let’s be honest: If Epstein was still alive and in prison, he would get a pardon from Trump

  • @bitjunkie@lemmy.world
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    1872 months ago

    No wrongdoing by Trump has been alleged.

    BECAUSE HE SETTLED THE CIVIL SUIT, A TACIT ADMISSION THAT THEY RAPED A THIRTEEN-YEAR-OLD TOGETHER.

    I wish the media would just be straight with us. Obligatory “Fuck Reagan”.

  • @GeorgeLightning@lemmy.world
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    1082 months ago

    “No wrongdoing by Trump has been alleged.”

    FFS

    I am alleging it now and have alleged it for years: Donald J Trump joined convicted pedophile and sexual abuser Jeffery Epstein in raping an underage girl.

    • @dellish@lemmy.world
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      22 months ago

      I was questioning that too. I’m certain I’ve read allegations of wrongdoing, i.e. sex with a minor, attributed to Trump. Why are they saying otherwise? (no need to answer that, I think we know)

      • @habitualcynic@lemmy.world
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        I think the article means court case or criminal charges. It’s been implied or stated, but no courtroom allegations or cases. Edit: I hope that’s what is meant

  • @RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
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    972 months ago

    Why is this a surprise? It’s undisputed that trump knew Epstein and hung out with him. He even raped a girl who was also “hanging around” Epstein for lack of a better word.

    • @blattrules@lemmy.world
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      482 months ago

      For anyone paying attention, it’s no surprise. To the people who blindly follow him, though…well, they’ll probably never hear about this or just brush it off as some liberal shadow government conspiracy against him.

        • @commander@lemmings.world
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          12 months ago

          Brow-beating is an extremely effective tactic on the internet.

          We see it on both sides, so most discourse devolves into whoever is censored/moves on with their life first loses.

          It can make the appearance that Russian trolls with their literal non-stop promotion and shilling of trump bullshit in 2016 are more successful than they are, which invariably contributes to their success.

          I wish we could see what was happening as it’s happening. Unfortunately, all we can do is let it happen around us and future generations can study how we’ve been taken advantage of without realizing it.

      • @stardust@lemmy.ca
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        32 months ago

        He could eat a baby in front of them and they’d go from being shocked to figuring out how it was justified. I don’t think anything can shatter the hold he has over his cult followers at this point.

    • It’s a bit surprising he didn’t have them censor all references to him before releasing the files. I’m surprised any time this administration doesn’t do the most corrupt and evil thing possible.

      • Fair. But they’ve already “so what if I did?” whitewashed his association with Epstein already, so releasing the passenger log seems like a non-event to me.

      • @ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world
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        82 months ago

        It’s a bit surprising he didn’t have them censor all references to him before releasing the files.

        Why even bother? He could rape a baby and then eat it in front of its mother and his supporters would keep supporting him.

    • @Ledericas@lemm.ee
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      102 months ago

      he needs a distraction from the epstein stuff, by going apeshit on zelenksy meetings.

  • @Alteon@lemmy.world
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    702 months ago

    From what I understand, it’s the same information that was released last time. The people on both sides that have been meticulously keeping up with this are livid that it’s literally no new information. Trump and Co even brought in influencers to hype up the release only for it to be the exact same shit that was released years ago.

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    Unless they release verifiably unredacted/unedited documents (and I’m not sure whether/if verifably unredacted/unedited documents are possible in this circumstance) I’m not going to believe they aren’t holding things back out of self preservation anyhow.

    The worst possible time for anything like this to be released is during the Trump admin, because now I have to apply an extra layer of skepticism.

    I don’t even have to go to a conservative sub to know they are or will handwave away his presence on the flight logs, and I know nothing worse is going to be released about Trump or any Trump ally, so what’s even the point aside from a witch hunt for all Trump’s enemies who somehow will be on the list?

    To be clear, I’m sure that Democrats and a disappointingly long list of non-politicians are on that list too, and they should all see the light of day.

    • @Serinus@lemmy.world
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      52 months ago

      Well, also the flight logs alone doesn’t mean much. It’s certainly suspicious, but it’s not damning. There was more than one reason to associate with Epstein.

      You need more than just flight logs. The suspect would have to say something about “he likes them young, like me” or something similar.

      • Yeah, you’d need something like Trump saying that he liked to surprise the young contestants at the Trump Beauty Pagents by opening the doors of the changing rooms while the girls were naked.

        Oh, he did say that? Oh. He also talked about flying on his private jet with Epstein and some of the girls to the pagents? Oh.

      • @Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world
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        12 months ago

        He’s already said that he will not release this information. I’m not sure why this is surprising anyone. They’re releasing stuff that was already out there. None of this is new and there won’t be anything new at least until the next administration if ever.

      • @octopus_ink@lemmy.ml
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        12 months ago

        That’s essentially what I expect is happening, and it’s going to be difficult to convince me otherwise.

    • @Substance_P@lemmy.world
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      92 months ago

      For a second there I was thinking about the circumstances surrounding Ivana Trump’s mysterious staircase death.

      • @electrictrees29@lemm.ee
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        82 months ago

        Isn’t it in a book, that trump shoved her down the stairs? Or maybe I’m confusing that with when he just beat her. IDK

    • @chiliedogg@lemmy.world
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      52 months ago

      I don’t know why you think that.

      It’s not like the girl who was raped by Prince Andrew was recruited by Epstein at Mar-a-Lago or anything, right?

      • @meowmeowbeanz@sopuli.xyz
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        32 months ago

        Epstein’s connections were as blatant as Prince Andrew’s inability to sweat—hard to ignore

        😺😺😺😺

    • @Raiderkev@lemmy.world
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      212 months ago

      I have subscribed to this theory since day 1. He had the most to lose, and was literally in charge of the prison indirectly. He absolutely could have made it happen, but conspiracies involving people on the right clearly don’t exist.

      • @gamer@lemm.ee
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        132 months ago

        And it happened in 2019, a time when he and his people were under a ton of pressure with the upcoming election. Such a high profile case would have been really really bad for the campaign. It’s easier to deny a couple of documents than testimony from Epstein himself.

        just sayin’

  • @the_q@lemm.ee
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    272 months ago

    So? You think this will change anything? Just add it to the pile of shit this cheddar-faced fuck has been involved with. It’s not like there’s a higher authority that can do anything about it. I feel like it’s still not setting in for some people just where we are in this collapse. It’s over, guys. There is only 1 path forward.

  • @commander@lemmings.world
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    2 months ago

    Donald Trump knew about Epstein but didn’t tell us; we had to find out for ourselves.

    The fact that nobody is saying this and none of you have considered it until reading this comment should be very telling at how deep their power runs, and how stupid we are for going along with it.

    We literally aren’t allowed to have our own thoughts. We can only think and talk about what the powers that be have deemed appropriate.

    • @Test_Tickles@lemmy.world
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      102 months ago

      I’m pretty sure we have all been saying that for years. Pretty much from the moment the Epstein shit blew up. I mean, they were best buds for over a decade.

      • @commander@lemmings.world
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        I’ve seen people mention that Trump knew about Epstein, but I’ve never seen them make the connection to him withholding that information from us for decades.

        It creates the argument that either Trump isn’t as all-seeing as his base would like to believe, or he’s part of the cabal that protects pedophiles like Epstein. We’re not allowed to look in this direction.

        • @Test_Tickles@lemmy.world
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          22 months ago

          I suspect most people don’t bring it up because that’s the least of what their friendship implies. And of course if Trump is a pedo, then he would definitely be protecting them.
          The real problem is that his base doesn’t care if he’s a child rapist or not. They are either jealous that he gets away with it and aspire to be like him, or they think it’s his God given right and the poor lost children he raped should be honored.

  • @hemmes@lemmy.world
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    182 months ago

    Donald Trump’s name appears in Jeffrey Epstein’s recently released flight logs seven times

    Wow, committed rape at least seven times

    • FuglyDuck
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      152 months ago

      Epstein didn’t create the demand for sex trafficking and grooming minors. he “just” exploited it.

      Is he a monster? absolutely.

      But he didn’t create the demand, and the people creating this chaos? they’re his clients. After Epstein got caught… somebody else became the one to provide the service. because there’s plenty of monsters wanting to fill that role.

      • @Serinus@lemmy.world
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        12 months ago

        I don’t know what makes you say that other than pessimism. Times have changed. Epstein absolutely could have been the last on that scale.

        • @Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works
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          42 months ago

          This is so naive I can’t believe there’s people who think like you. I think Epstein was probably a low level player compared to what goes on in Russia and the Middle East.

          • @Serinus@lemmy.world
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            22 months ago

            Yeah, I’m certainly only speaking for the West. But here risk has gone up and public sentiment has changed. In the 1980s people would be more likely to cover for a priest. Today they’re more likely to murder that priest. The church is more likely to turn them over to authorities rather than move them to another parish.

            • FuglyDuck
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              32 months ago

              you might want to lay off the church’s coolaid. They’re still protecting priests and pastors. The only time they don’t is when public backlash is so high it’s no longer feasible to do so. For every pedopriest you hear about there are another dozen doing the same thing quietly.

              sex trafficking has always been part of human behavior, probably even before we were technically modern humans. And it probably always will be. This isn’t pessimism. this is reality. If you want some optmimism, know there’s also always been people standing against it, doing what they can to end it. but it’s not a fight that ends until humanity ends.