not hating misled trump voters is actually a really good idea and more people need to try it
not saying that the actually insane ones arent worth hating, but some people are just maga bc everyone they know is
Everyone makes mistakes, those that can admit it are rare. Those that can forgive rarer still. And both should be role models.
Be the change you want to see.
Edit: I mean it as a challenge to the rest of us
Always words to live by
those that can admit it are rare.
They’re really not. Maybe among politicians… But it’s a basic requirement of being a functioning adult human imo.
Talk about a low bar…
You. I like your optimism. But I don’t share your experience apparently. A lot of people don’t. About the best I tend to get from a lot of them after I start asking a lot of questions that poke holes in their beliefs. Is silence.
Never once have they admitted that they could be wrong or that there’s a chance I might be right. And as soon as they go back to spend time with their cult. The next time I see them it’s like it never even happened. They’re it back to insisting the same absurd positions. Because they never actually acknowledged or considered that they could be wrong.
It’s not even limited to or that unique to right Wingers. Plenty of gaza activists still to this day refused to admit that the hyperfocus on Biden and Harris was a mistake. Or that by doing that they may have helped Trump win. The field was so flooded with Hyper focused partisan propaganda. That many Palestinian Americans honestly somehow thought Trump would be better and voted for him. But as is basic human nature it’s never their fault. It’s always someone else that shit their pants.
What should we do with the ones who voted to hurt others but now want to change sides because they’re being hurt too? Should we ignore the very likely possibility they’ll jump right back to the other side when the Republicans backpedal just enough to no longer look so blatantly shameless? Let them turn against Trump on their own, I just want to keep my distance from these people before they likely disappoint us in the next election cycle.
“There’s an old saying in Tennessee—I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee—that says, ‘Fool me once, shame on…shame on you.’ Fool me—you can’t get fooled again.”
Mr President another plane hit your other braincell
If they’re genuinely apologetic and recognize they made a terrible choice, then yes… Welcome back to reality.
There is a path to redemption, and recognizing your past mistakes is part of that.
That’s the right thing to do. Making it easy for people to accept that they were wrong makes it much easier to pull support from the opposing party. If you constantly ridicule, mock or insult them, they are much more likely to stick with their opinion simply because they do not want to accept that you were right.
A vast majority on lemmy should learn this aswell.
A vast majority on lemmy should learn this aswell.
The vindictiveness and hate for anyone who slightly disagrees by some on here is only matched by Reddit users. It makes sense I guess
That’s exactly it, it’s actual hate. It’s not just “bro your opinion is stupid, you’re a moron, piss off” and be done with it. Nah, many people on here genuinely hate other opinions. They’re fully adopting a fascist mindset while thinking they’re on the “right side”.
It’s genuinely worrying to see that ngl.
Literally like edgy 4channers
Yeah, but at least 4chan supports freedom of speech.
Sometimes
I feel like this is a deep flaw in humanity. That most people would rather continue eating literal shit than admit they were wrong.
Many people would be willing to admit that they’re wrong, however, if the “opposing” side is constantly mockign and ridiculing you, yeah, I can see why people don’t want to admit that.
I wonder what sort of studies have been done on this. I found a few with a quick search about admitting being wrong- IT seems to correlate with humility like you would expect. Also admitting fault also sometimes makes people like you more, contrary to the belief that people will think you suck if you admit fault. Though maybe not for politicians, oddly.
I’ve thought about this at length and the conclusion I’ve reached is that people tend to lose ‘authority’ when they admit they’re wrong on a subject.
Essentially, once you’ve believed something that was incorrect, your peers will be more skeptical of your beliefs in the future and they can always point back to “remember when you were wrong about x?”
The stronger you’ve held this incorrect belief, the harder it is to admit you were wrong.
If they never admit they were wrong, though, then they never have to deal with humiliation.
Instead of “if you’re not with us, you’re against us”,
It’s “as long as you’re against them, you can be with us.”
And frankly, that’s what we need right now.
First past the post voting is fucking garbage but this is how you’re supposed to engage it; it’s NEVER EVER EVER EVER going to be good for supporting the lesser of two evils.
Instead, the best thing it can ever do is punish the greater evil
And these are VERY DIFFERENT GOALS.
If people were voting to punish the Trump campaign, Kamala would have won.
Notably, people very much voted to punish Kamala instead. Even the ones on the left. And boy did we show her -_- now we ALL get to suffer.
It’s “as long as you’re against them, you can be with us.”
Cool, I’m with ‘Nazis, Pedophiles, and Rapists AGAINST drumpf’, let’s meet up, I’ll bring the gang.
In all seriousness, these people have been cheering on the most heinous shit for years now. Feel free to reconcile with that at your own risk, but leave me tf out.
Listen, if I have a chance to meet up with Nazis, pedos, and rapists, that means they’re all gathered to the same place and I can rid the world of a LOT OF SCUM at the mere cost of my own life and some volatile equipment. Not many people have a chance to do so much good in their life or death for that matter. Let them think they’re welcome until they’re no longer useful. And by that I mean immediately.
There we go!!!
Peak pro-genocide lib privilege.
A University of Massachusetts-Amherst poll of 1,000 people from early April found that just 2% of Trump voters say they regret their choice and wish they had voted differently.
Jesus Christ…
The reality is that a person in a cult leaves it quietly. At the start of the process, they have doubts and fears but repeat the mantras about how they’re still absolutely a member of the cult.
And we’re seeing that. We’re seeing people upset about what’s happening, yet claiming they still support him. That’s what a person leaving a cult actually looks like – doubt, self-assurance, and then quietly quesstioning it whilst acting to their peers that they’re still believers. They’re not necessarily aware that this is the beginning of them leaving, many want their leader to reassure them of those doubts, and get slowly unsettled when they don’t.
If you ask them point-blank if they renounce their faith, they’re not willing to admit it publicly. That’s too real. They’ll just slowly fade away, and try to live like it didn’t happen.
Which means if you want people to leave a cult, you have to let them do it quietly. Even if its hard, if you’re angry and want to punish them. If they’re giving up a community they know accepts them, it won’t be to join a community that never will.
I hope you’re right… However, history has shown that these people vote and they always vote R, no matter how awful the party is. It seems really hard to get them out of that habit.
And most of them would rather die before voting for someone with a “D” next to their name.
Just wait for the store shelves to empty this month. That number will go up.
It’s a cult. I’m not surprised.
I wonder if that 2% was because they were directly impacted by him. Additionally, I assume most haven’t changed their minds because they came in knowing that there would be hard times ahead.
With that said, I live in a very r area and have been keeping tabs on the flags. My grocery store started selling us flags last month and now there are new houses with flags. They didn’t have them up at all before.
Too bad I don’t know any that stop drinking the kool-aid (flavor aid), they still think that hurting liberals makes hurting conservatives worth it.
No we don’t. MAGAts are fucking stupid. They knew what they voted for and got EXACTLY what they were told they were voting for.
This sort of delusional and aggressive thinking just drives division.
The reality is, most people don’t make educated decisions at the polls. It’s knee jerk reaction to the economy
The reality is, most people don’t make educated decisions at the polls. It’s knee jerk reaction to the economy
Yes, and that’s childish and fucking moronic. Do better. I’m admittedly one to over-prepare in general, but I genuinely cannot comprehend why anyone would CHOOSE to not know anything about what they’re voting for. “Oh, I don’t like following politics”. Well, tough shit dumbass; I don’t like feeling like I’m stuck in the geopolitical equivalent of a high school group project with the asshole jock who can’t be arsed to do his portion of the fucking presentation but here we fucking are.
The situation is dire enough that no, I’m not saying we should turn these folks away. We need all the help we can get. But I’ll be lying to them when I tell them I forgive them. I don’t think I ever truly will.
This isn’t partisan, you’re fighting human nature here. Most people aren’t that politically engaged. How many people were surprised Biden wasn’t on the ballot?
Most people aren’t following politics, they follow a vibe that they think about every few years and then go on not worrying about. Things have to get really bad before the average person thinks critically about their political representation beyond sports tribalism.
Every convert is +2, don’t disincentivize that.
I’m not trying to disincentivize that, I’m being honest about it in a forum where it’s highly unlikely they’re gonna read it. How many regretful Trump voters who voted that way because they don’t pay attention do you think hang out in politics threads on lemmy? I’m not gonna turn any away if I run into one in real life but if I’m being sincere, I’m also never gonna be able to fully trust them.
And “being the bigger man” before got us to where we are now. Give them an inch and they take a mile.
The dude instigated 1-6. He is a felon. The economy has nothing to do with it.
Not sure if you skipped my comment or you’re willfully ignorant
It probably wasn’t worth the notice, nor will it ever be now. You’re blocked.
Perhaps but any kind of effective resistance needs widespread support from anywhere we can get it
Trump voters love to “own the libs”.
Is the liberal version of “owning the libs” also “owning the libs”? 🤔
And? What happens next?
I acknowledge your feeling at this moment. However, politics are decisions about the future. Will you welcome them then? Will you accept their votes on your side at the next election?
They’re misled idiots for sure, but there’s no benefits in keeping them in that position just out of spite.
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As much as it’s fun to say fuck you I told you so, you catch more flies with honey.
How much more honey are you going to steal from the left and give to your buddies on the right?
So you still believe voting can fix this?
I agree with you but put out some honey next to some balsamic vinegar sometime and see which one pulls more flies.
Yall maybe forgiving but not i any and all Trump voters are traitors. Because you cannot stand there and listen to this man commit sedition
Say shit like “i have a concept of a plan”
And still slap knee “gosh darn it that is the man I must vote for president what a patriot!”
Fuck that. Cowards all of them. Every single one in gov. And every single voter.
Remember the women who slept with Nazis and after the war? That’s Trump supporters.
Just don’t say you used to support the guy and do your part to try to get him legally out of the whitehouse along with his admin buddies.
Shouldn’t be turning people away that are apologetic, but don’t think the path to victory lies there. All the people that are sitting out elections are the ones that should be targeted. So few of eligible voters are actually doing so.
I keep talking to people who didn’t vote and they keep saying it’s because neither candidate represents their interests.
Maybe we should be ‘targeting’ the establishment simps that keep nominating establishment candidates?
Trump only won because Bernie lost, for example. How come we don’t blame the people who nominated hillary clinton?
Oh it think everybody, except the twenty people that told her she was going to be president, do in fact blame those 20 people.
But I think most of the democratic voters are going to choose the lesser of two evils (would be beautiful to vote for someone), so getting a candidate that gets more non-voters to show up is way better than getting people to change their politics. I would guess that would mean more progressive policies anyway, as those tend to have a greater impact on most people’s lives.
Being cordial with them is fine, working with them to protest right now is fine.
But let’s not forget that they are at best temporary allies. That don’t actually share any values, they’re just upset that the administration isn’t hurting the right people.
There will be a scant few that truly not vote for a Republican and that’s about the best you can expect, be prepared that they continue to vote hard R in the end.
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Fuck that. Dems ALWAYS have to be the bigger person because MAGAts are too stupid to see what is actually going on. I’m done bailing their asses out. I’ll NEVER forgive them for doing this, even if they vote Dem in every election for the rest of their lives. I hope they all get exactly what they voted for.
If they’re truly remorseful THEY can fix it first, THEN talk about lessening our hatred for them.
Dems are not the bigger person, they are delusional like the Republicans they claim to hate.
Fuck that. Dems ALWAYS have to be the bigger person because MAGAts are too stupid to see what is actually going on.
No, this is the part where democrats have lost because they moved to the right and have decided that what they really need to do as a result is to move to the right.
Disagree if you want, but I’ve felt this way and have been saying some variation of this (but perhaps not as eloquently) pretty much since November of 2024.
Granted, in the immediate wake of the election, even I didn’t think things would be this way, at least not so soon. As soon as he took office, anybody with half a brain cell could see, first-hand sans conjecture, just how much of a disaster we were in for. I was like, at this stage, we’re going to have to root for the hamberders to do their thing and in the mean time we’re going to have to turn the other cheek and accept those Trump voters who come to regret their vote. If there are enough of them, and they genuinely see an apology as a path out of the cult, there’s a better chance of turning things around.
It’s never to late to do the right thing.
