• null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    4 months ago

    This attitude is how you ended up electing Trump.

    Its bonkers that you guys are spiralling into a dystopian shitscape day by day and just cant bring yourself to acknowledge that any alternative has to be better.

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      4 months ago

      This is how I feel. I can’t stand neoliberals but some people on here are delusional for saying they won’t vote for Newsom if he is nominated.

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        4 months ago

        It’s not only about voting, but the complaining.

        It seems like the problem in the US is getting people to give a fuck. By spreading this narrative that the democrats are just slower fascists or whatever your just encouraging progressive voters not to vote.

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          4 months ago

          Well then maybe the Democrats should do somthing to counter that claim. Maybe something like not supporting fascism, and actually fighting against it when they have the chance.

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        4 months ago

        That’s not really how voting works though.

        An election is a poll or test or the collective will of citizens at a given point in time. Granted, in the US you have the electoral college fuckery overlaid on that but still …

        Voting Blue but complaining about them to your compatriots is not the way.

        Protesting about Gaza outside Democrat conventions in an election cycle is not the way to secure better outcome for Palestinians.

            • Boomer Humor Doomergod@lemmy.world
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              There aren’t enough people like me to make a difference either way.

              Progressives and socialists and weirdos are woefully outnumbered in this country, as shown by literally every election in my life.

              Even if every single one voted we’d still lose and things would continue to get worse.

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                That will probably be the case for at least another decade. The facts of the matter are that Boomers and Gen Xers are not very left leaning at all, but they show up to vote the most are thus hold the power in this country. Until the demographics themselves change and progressive Millennials and Gen Z voters make up a majority, I don’t expect giant changes any time soon.

                The best bet we have to make an impact is by trying to change the voting system at the local level to us. If enough people do so, we can have more progressives like Mamdani in office. If the alternative system is popular enough, we can change the voting system itself at the state level like Maine and Alaska have done.

                Also, continuing to educate the youth on why progressive policies matters is vital to the future. We need to keep people interested in bringing positive change, else the younger generations may end up disinterested in helping to elevate their peers.

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                    It’s tough for sure since the cards have purposefully been stacked against us. I think there’s definitely room for optimism, since grassroots organizing is effective at bringing change.

                    Personally I would be happy if we can just get it so our states can go into debt to implement progressive policies such as Universal Basic Income, Universal Healthcare, and more public housing.

                    I think the state should be the one owning all of these apartments since why should property be a for profit enterprise?

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      The Democrats refusing to acknowledge the desires of the voters, and actively screwing over workers is how we ended up with Trump. The Democrats are “better”, but only in the sense that they aren’t going to fix the problems that led to fascism. They’ve shown over and over that they’d rather support fascism, then fight against it.