You don’t own your device.
Wrong
“Ownership“ doesn’t mean “I can do whatever I want with it”.
edit: wow, Redditors are better at accepting the truth, lol
It should
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Thats Apples and Oranges. Owning a phone is not like owning a a gun.
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Right, you can’t break the law. Gun manufacturers are very explicitly not responsible if you break the law with one of the items they manufactured.
This is more like the gun manufacturer coming back two years after you bought it and preventing you from using bullets from a vendor they don’t approve of.
No it’s not. When you buy a gun you’re not buying it with web connected software running it that is constantly updated and changed, and is actually a selling point, that you knew about when you bought it, and that you agreed to.
What a fucking stupid moronic take. Go back to reddit
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They can do whatever they want with them, that’s why we have shootings.
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If they couldn’t, then they wouldn’t, but they obviously can, because they do. This is not complicated.
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If they don’t break the law then yes
edit: wow, Redditors are better at accepting the truth, lol
So go pander to them.
If I own something, I can do whatever I like with it because it’s mine.
If I can’t do what I like, it’s not truly mine.
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The state of having complete legal control of something;
Ownership is the state or fact of legal possession and control over property,
the act of having and controlling property
Control is a key part of ownership. If Google controls what you can install on a device, it isn’t yours.
Nah, you control your google powered phone as in you can decide to sell it, throw it away, repair it, etc. You don’t get ownership of the software that it runs though, or what that updates Google send your way. You can certainly choose not to update it, but you just miss out on anything that requires those updates - like access to the Google play services.
You’re licking those corporate boots awfully hard for someone calling themselves Freedom advocate.
You can certainly choose not to update it, but you just miss out on anything that requires those updates - like access to the Google play services.
And that will do wonders for the security that Google claims is the reason behind this change, won’t it.
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This isn’t true in regards to basically anything that runs closed source software. You can do whatever you can, but there are plenty of things you might want to do that you can’t do. That doesn’t mean you don’t own it.
I love when newbie accounts think lemmy is reddit. Makes them easier to ignore.
Its also funny how they edit their comment on their downvotes because it upset them.
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But that’s what it means. Or at least, it used to
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But possessing something indicates that you have rights over it that others do not. In this case, you have no rights that G doesn’t.
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“Ownership” totally does mean it’s yours and you can do whatever you want with it.
That means you can do it, not that you should, nor that what you do won’t have consequences.
It just means your phone won’t stop you from downloading an unapproved app just like a gun won’t stop you from loading an unapproved bullet.
It means your gun has a safety mechanism you can unlock to shoot, as does your phone to download “unverified” apps.
It means you can sell either freely to someone else without it becoming bricked or the new owner losing any rights (lookin’ at you, Tesla cars).
It means defaulting on the loan will require the physical reposession of your phone or gun, and that neither will magically lock you out of using it using telemetry.
It means anyone with the right knowledge and tools can fix your phone and it’ll work, just like your gun.
It means your phone works for you, and not for someone else - just like your gun.
Your phone is a tool. Just like your gun. It can be used for good - and for bad.
What you do with it is up to you, and not up to it or its manufacturer.
It means you can shoot people with your gun, just as you can extort and blackmail people with your phone. Nothing, other than your own morality, the morals of society and therule of law are preventing you from doing bad things. Certainly not the will of the manufacturer.
Any forensic inquiry into a phone on a crime scene would be like that of a gun.
Any taking of your phone from your home or person would require a warrant - like with a gun.
Any inquiry into your phone’s contents and qualities should require outside tools - like a similar inquiry into your gun.
Your phone won’t have a special police-only history of what you’ve used it for - like your gun.
Your phone won’t report what you’ve been doing with it to 3rd parties without your consent - like won’t your gun.
And so on.
As a non-american, using a gun as your comparison object is just so bizarre (and unrelatable).
Ownership of a phone doesn’t mean that the makers of said phone have to give you the source code and build in ways for you to be able to do things they don’t want.
Your own the device that does what it was advertised as. That’s it.
“A phone’s schematics are publically available, like those of a gun”
I can assure you, I’ve written no such thing in my original reply.
Yeah if you thought Reddit was delusional about things like rights and ownership you’ve come to the wrong place lol. Lemmy and blue sky are the only places in the internet that can make some of Reddit look even slightly intelligent.
Truth post. You don’t even have to enjoy the facts that you post. Lemmy is far too unhinged and emotional.
If you state any fact they don’t like, you are downvoted.
I lovingly embrace any and all ironic downvotes I will get.
Seeth with me ❤️
With this and Google stopping side loading in Android, I’m going to be looking hard into Linux phones.
People are so stupid in this country. Do what the EU did and make it law that they have to offer sideloading and other app stores and payment methods.
It should be the law to begin with. This walled garden shit is really just another word for controlling what the user does with the device they purchased and not allowing them to do business with anybody else exclusively to add software without apple’s approval and protection racket fee.
EU didn’t do anything except lower the tax on developers from 30% to 27%. And they still require Apple’s rubber stamp to install.
They should have been concerned about OS lock-in, instead of app store lock-in. Imagine being able to install the OS of your choice on your phone.
Why not both?
The EU shouldn’t be concerned about any of that, because it’s none of their business tbh.
If you want to install whatever OS you want on a phone, you’re free to go and make a phone and’s do just that. No governments should be able to force a company to do what you’re asking. It’s snaked to even suggest that Apple would shell out billions on hardware design etc and then be forced to give people a way to run AOSP on it and have it work.
Do you people even hear yourself? Should Sony be forced to build a way for you to be able to install AppleTV on their TVs? Should Nintendo be forced to build functionality to let users install windows on the Switch 2, making drivers for everything etc?
Yeah, you still can’t install arbitrary IPA files on iOS.
Was there any reason to make this an ios app as opposed to a website hosted outside the US? I’m really not surprised by the removal. What did they expect? All the Tech CEOs came to the inauguration with bags of cash.
Yeah good point. Plus if it’s a website you can use it in private mode and not have evidence that you were helping people evade the gestapo all over your phone.
The only reason I can think of is the cost. Apple makes the map API free if you use Apple Maps on Apple devices. If you are building a website, you have to pay for Mapbox or Google Maps, etc., that can get pricey for indie developers.
Isn’t Open Street Map free?
But anyway, these apps are all about accessibility to regular folks. Believe it or not many people don’t know how to bookmark a website. Also this app gives you notifications, something a website could only do via email or something.
Yep, Strava doesn’t have any problems using OpenStreetMaps. No reason they couldn’t either.
The creator is a dumdum
Building an iOS app is faster and simpler than building a web app. The developer also said he took advantage of some privacy features in the iOS development kit that made it easy to keep people anonymous.
But Apple still knows you downloaded and used the app. Apple collects plenty of data on iOS, and their “privacy” marketing only applies to third party apps downloaded from the App Store.
Fuck the app just make it web based
And then Android could use it too, so many apps should just be websites.
Or keep it an app, but just be a web wrapper.
Those aren’t allowed anymore.
This is what sideloading is supposed to prevent
Brings new meaning to Google’s decision to (effectively) block side loading on Android
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It’s still on my phone! Sorry Tim Apple!
Still on mine as well. Why were folks slow to add this app?
I didn’t know it existed.
Some people are republicans? 🤷♂️
(I know, I can’t explain it either.)
Pretty sure Tim Apple couldn’t care less, he just has to appease the Tangerine in Chief.
You supported Apple if your own their phone. You helped them do this.
Rebrand it with the same tech as something like “Friend Sightings!” It’s not a 1A violation because Apple banned it, it is a 1A violation because the government made them ban it.
Being constantly tracked is for the plebs, not the Elites or their enforcers.
Back in the aughts I was an apple fanboy. Later they no longer had the edge but I won’t say it was completely not an option. Now it is completely not an option.
Just in case, if you’re (still) a Nintendo, Sony, Tesla, Disney, Spotify, … fan, it’s not too late to change your mind about them too :)
Totally agree, but what to do? Just forsake all entertainment, media, and technology at this point?
High seas
There are a lot of alternatives to these corpos
I’ve cut those out, except tesla because I never had one, and never will
im off almost everything.
We all believed they cared about privacy back then, I just never got one because side loading is essencial for me.
We all believed? What?
honestly I never liked smartphones. it was mostly about the freebsd based os, large with lots of power and ports (this was the aughts), and the apple care was amazing. Once that went away it just made sense to save money but now its like they could be the cheap option and like no. ewww. linux was not as great at that point to.
Lol. “we”. No, I was never convinced. I’m sorry, but you might be far more gullible than you think you are.
What does this have to do with privacy?
- boycott
- problem solved
Yup. That would do it.
Apple fans gave up years ago, though. They don’t want to give any effort. That’s why you’re being downvoted.
Stop. Fucking. Using. Apple. Products.
Why would you pay 1k+ for a phone you don’t even own/control?
on google based phones if using google services, the product is you
Lol. As if apple is any different. Stop drinking the Kool Aid.
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All the apple fans out down voting today…
FYI this may not be the time to take allegiance with them if you at all understand what is going on.
If you understand what is going on then you understand that, as of right now, all mobile users are thoroughly fucked. Google is about to gatekeep all Android app development and we don’t have any serious third options. The monopoly noose is tightening around the world’s neck.
Apple, Google, they are both greedy, evil, abusive corporate oligarchs. “Apple bad” helps nobody. Google is just as bad. We need more options. Until Graphene works on non-Google devices, it’s not much of an alternative. Until UBPorts gets more support and adoption, it’s not much of an alternative either. We’re in a very bad place.
I’m very well aware, but the apple folks tend to be a LOT more dogmatic and vocal. When people talk shit about android, nobody really cares. Do it to apple? Jfc.
I am pointing this out because the current mess will never change for the better until apple users stop supporting apple. No, you dont have a lot of choices, but stop signaling support for them. Get mad and demand better. Be vocal about THAT.
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Oh, let’s rewrite history, eh?
Android allows sideloading for over two decades, but sure… BoTH sIdEs aRe thE sAmE.
Let’s pretend Apple’s wild success isn’t to blame for this.
I have a great dislike for Apple, and have never bought or used any of their products. I still downvoted the comment because it’s wrong (use doesn’t define general intelligence), toxic, and misguided (attacks those that we would prefer to change).
You thinking downvotes are (mainly? fully?) apple fans speaks volumes.
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What makes me a moron?
I just want to say I laughed at this.
This is like claiming most people downvoting ICE might not be conservatives.
Like, congrats if you’re being genuine… You’re like the Hispanic Trump voters. You think you’re doing something good, but you’re just helping the wrong side win.
What do you base this on?
Lemmy seem quite heavily skewed towards non-apple users.
What specifically makes me like a Hispanic Trump voter? Where’s the equivalence of self-sabotage?
In what way do I help the wrong side win?
ICEBlock was really poorly designed from what I understand.
For people downvoting the above, read some criticisms the app such as:
https://micahflee.com/unfortunately-the-iceblock-app-is-activism-theater/
I don’t know of the take-down legit but the security of the app has been questioned, too.
Edit: The removal was bullshit. Apple should be pressured to put it back. But, the developer or someone else could do much better.
IIRC it’s also not open source, which for me is a big barrier to using it and trusting it at all (other than it being iOS-only).
Do you own an iPhone? Oh, hey, you helped ICE.
Yes, you did.
