transcription: saying “male to female” instead of just trans woman is like referring to fully grown people as “baby to adult”. ahh… so you used to be a baby??? are you telling be you were BORN a baby… but then… hormones turned you into an adult? nice try. giant baby

  • Blibly@lemmy.world
    67·
    12 天前

    Or how about just WOMAN and leave it at that? I didn’t transition to be trans, ya know…

    • in_my_honest_opinion@piefed.socialEnglish
      24·
      12 天前

      Yeah, I just refer to people as their preferred pronouns? Like it’s pretty easy. I just have to repeat what they tell me. If I don’t know their pronouns I just use the ancient secret technique of calling them by their name…crazy I know.

    • Leon@pawb.social
      1·
      12 天前

      It reminds me of people talking about gay marriage. The qualifiers are useful only in the context where it actually matters. Like equal rights. It’s not like after getting the right to vote, women started women voting. I don’t gay-verb things on a day to day basis, as funny as it would be to say I gay-cook and gay-brush-my-teeth.

  • [object Object]@lemmy.ca
    37·
    12 天前

    I use trans man/woman now, but when I was learning about trans people that description was helpful for me to get the direction/terminology right.

    I had a lot of things to learn. In hindsight, yeah, it’s really obvious. But I get confused by obvious things other people just get very easily (like it took me a while to figure out why we don’t start counting stuff at zero).

    • four@lemmy.zipEnglish
      37·
      12 天前

      I remember being confused about it as well, thinking that “trans man” means someone who used to be a man, but is trans, so you apply “trans” to “man” and you get “trans man” (I might be autistic?). I was like “if a ‘man’ transitioned already, why do we say trans woman instead of just woman??” I now understand it more and it kinda makes sense, but I was really stumped for some time.

      why we don’t start counting stuff at zero

      I might have the right career for you lol

    • WalrusDragonOnABike [they/them]@reddthat.com
      4·
      12 天前

      Same. Given how much of the conversation about trans people are influenced by cis people who don’t understand trans people, how am I supposed to know if “trans man/woman” is the way trans people refer to themselves or cis people being transphobic?

  • Omega@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    32·
    12 天前

    To me it’s like the wording “you’re a man who became a woman.” It’s offensive for many reasons, but I think the biggest reason why it’s so offensive is because at the end of the day, you still called me a man. If you were saying that I’m “a woman who used to be a man”, it would still be deeply inaccurate, but much less offensive, because, well, at least you’re calling me a woman this time around.

    Either way, no matter how you say it, this obsession with what I used to be according to you is not only offensive, but it is kinda creepy. I am what I told you that I was.

  • noughtnaut@lemmy.world
    17·
    12 天前

    As a cis person subscribing to this (in order to be a better human and “ally”), I just want to quickly thank you all for having these conversations in public. I get that OP’s post was humour, but reading the finer points (and personal variations) is incredibly enlightening. Thank you.

  • Zizzy@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    12·
    12 天前

    Yeah i dont like to be referred to by being trans. Its like referring to me by an event that happened to me. And one thats been unpleasant. It doesnt define me

  • Maroon@lemmy.world
    6·
    10 天前

    I used to get very confused as a cis woman thinking “trans” meant “transitioned from”.

    I now simply ignore the “trans” and just follow with the identity. So trans woman is just woman, because that is all that matters.

  • Saapas@piefed.zipEnglish
    4·
    12 天前

    I think “male to female” can be helpful in telling what they transitioned from to what. Trans woman might confuse someone in that they wouldn’t know if the person transitioned to or from woman.

    • Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works
      11·
      12 天前

      For future reference trans woman=woman, trans man=man, both referring to the person as they are in the present.

      “From what to what” doesn’t really apply to a person whose soul/self has always been the same gender even though their body parts didn’t align.

      And only use “trans woman” or “trans man” if their transition experience is the subject of the conversation. .

      Otherwise, leave the past in the past and use woman or man like you would for yourself.

      This will also help you avoid offending cis people who just happen to have atypical features and body shape.

      • Saapas@piefed.zipEnglish
        2·
        12 天前

        I remember what trans womand and trans man means, but I don’t think many instinctively do

    • Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
      8·
      12 天前

      Does it matter? Why not just “woman”?

      Trans if they are proud of that and want it to be known, but I don’t think most people want to necessarily broadcast what they were before, just what they are now and maybe that they are part of minority community that has been disrespected historically but that they feel proud to represent.