The former president has pushed a slew of terrifying proposals, both publicly and privately, that he plans to unleash on America should he take down Biden

Here’s what’s at stake:

  • He will indict Biden and his other political enemies
  • He will round up, intern, and deport undocumented immigrants
  • He will send the military to the border
  • He will invade Mexico
  • He will round up the homeless and send the National Guard into cities to fight crime
  • He will bring back the death penalty in a big way
  • He will make stuff more expensive by taxing all imported goods
  • He will reevaluate America’s participation in NATO
  • He will roll back all of Biden’s climate progress and reinvest in fossils fuels
  • He will construct “freedom cities” filled with flying cars
  • He will try to overhaul the education system in the MAGA image
  • He will torch the First Amendment by going after non-MAGA media
  • He will legally delegitimize trans Americans
  • He will pardon the Jan. 6 rioters
  • He will gut the federal government and take unprecedented control of what’s left
    • massive_bereavement
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      They were kind of pretty lame as insurrectionists, I mean they were let in, they had inside tours and were given specific instructions.

      God’s gracious their two neurons didn’t meet each other on that day.

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        Being an idiot doesn’t make you any less of an insurrectionist. Also all released footage shows otherwise.

        • And I love how the fact that they weren’t immediately mowed down with gunfire somehow implies they were permitted to be there. No they weren’t, it wasn’t a tour, it was an armed insurrection. Cops showing restraint doesn’t make you any less culpable for the crime.

        • massive_bereavement
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          I’m rather grateful. Oddly thinking they resemble the baddies in 80s Saturday morning cartoons.

          That said, this year I’m loosing sleep over the thought that someone competent might give it a try.

      • Fuck off fascist.

        The protests for racial justice had literally no chance of toppling the government. Whereas the coup attempt was the closest our democracy has come to destruction since the civil war (I’m sure you were cool with the slavers in that one, eh?).

        The insurrectionists are an antidemocratic force that go against everything this country stands for whereas the George Floyd protests were demand our government live up to its ideals that “all men are created equal” and deserve full rights under the constitution.

  • @LavaPlanet@lemmy.world
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    He wants to indict Biden, whilst simultaneously creating / wanting freedom to never be charged with anything when you’re president. Which has to happen before he’s able to become president again.

      • @Bwaz@lemmy.world
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        But the ruling won’t happen till AFTER T gets re-elected (or cheats his way in), when Biden wouldnt be pres anymore. Delay, delay, delay is the game.

        • @WaxedWookie@lemmy.world
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          Trump is already insisting all this is above board - I’ve gotta say, I’m a little tired of calling out all his/their bullshit.

          …but yeah - reelection is his only ticket out at this point, it seems. Even general Dem refusal to rock the boat seems to be wearing thin, and that won’t count for much in court.

        • @derphurr@lemmy.world
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          81 year ago

          Biden should file Amicus brief with SCOTUS presidential immunity case saying if they are so ok with what Trump’s lawyers are saying, he has Seal Team 6 standing by awaiting their ruling.

          • @Mjpasta710@midwest.social
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            Why stop at Trump? If they’re willing to create a dictatorship out of one party, it’s only fair that the other party takes the reins when the opportunity arises. /s

            Democrats should clear the senate, house and courts of any dissenters upon the ruling.

            Keep seal team 6 on standby to really get the political machine straightened out.

            That’s where this goes.

          • @HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world
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            I would question trolley probably at depth, as national stability and prosperity are a presidents job and they have multiple organizations and forces at their disposal to accomplish this.

            We as individual citizens do not have that authority and power.

  • @SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world
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    He will round up, intern, and deport undocumented immigrants

    A few months later, farmers are surprised there are no cheap workers anymore to help in the fields. Farmers get in (more) financial problems, prices start to rise in the supermarket as supply shrinks. Trump blames Democrats for his actions. Rural voters get more angry.

    • @Nachorella@lemmy.sdf.org
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      This sort of played out in Australia where everyone also hates the scary immigrants, except it was when backpackers stopped coming during the height of covid. Once the farms ran out of people to exploit and realised there weren’t many Australians willing to go live in a shed in the middle of nowhere and get paid a criminally low wage they all started freaking out. They even started ‘importing’ labour lol. And of course the response is ‘nobody wants to work anymore.’

      • @SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world
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        UK had the same with Brexit. Kick out all the scary foreigners, found out there were a lot less people willing to harvest, wait tables or drive trucks for the wages being offered. Last I heard, there are still no people to do those jobs, just less business.

        • @HerrBeter@lemmy.world
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          Food is simply too cheap, no one can raise prices because it’s a controlled system. Besides, people will buy less stuff it prices go up.

          And paying an honest wage for the work? Cuts into profit margins…

    • Have you seen the amounts of chaos farmers are able to cause?

      Examples in France, the Netherlands and recently Germany?

      You do not want that shit in the USA, because your farmers are not only equipped with heavy machinery but firearms as well. If they start blockading critical interstate or transit roads just to make a point, I think it is likely to end in deaths.

      We’ve had one situation where a moment of panic resulted in a police officer opening fire on a kid driving a tractor. No one got hurt but because of how our law works, every time a firearm is used by regular law enforcement, a criminal investigation is opened. And the officer was charged with attempted manslaughter.

      Would this have happened in the states, I’d have expected a different outcome.

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        That’s how fascists go about their business. By the time it becomes evident that their actions against the current entry on the “then they came for” list aren’t going to solve solve the problems they claimed they would, they have already started ramping up their hatred for the next entry on the list.

      • @menthol@lemm.ee
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        His plan if he gets to be president again is to not have to worry about political opponents anymore. He’ll still demonize them and blame them for everything going wrong, but the elections will be cancelled.

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    Trump pulls pages out of other people’s handbooks. His MAGA bullshit was Reagan’s. Now in 2024 he’s walking in Hitler’s footsteps. I’m not saying ”Hitler” as a buzz word. I’m saying it, because he’s literally doing it. His whole schtick is Hitler’s and his* base are lapping it up like mindless fools. Open your eyes and reject authoritarian assholes like Trump. It’s all fun and games until the things you believe in are eventually taken from you. I might not agree with everything others do, but I sure as fuck believe in people’s rights to determine what’s right for themselves. Trump and all his cronies believe they know what’s right for others — they don’t. They know what’s right for themselves. If you want to vote for Trump, vote for him. But don’t think that something you hold dear won’t eventually be attacked by him or people like him.

    Edit: a word*

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      Yep. January 6th was his Beer Hall Putsch. A failed coup. But Hitler got what Trump should have been getting, i.e. a prison sentence for treason.

      Then again, perhaps that prison sentence was one of the things that gave him so much power later on.

      There are some significant differences too, though. Hitler was 34 years old, and a war veteran at the time of his first coup. Trump was 74, and he was the first US president without prior military or government experience.

  • @SGGeorwell@lemmy.world
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    The problem is that this sounds like a very sexy shopping list to people on the other side. Some of these are enticing even to a lot of democrats, especially the ones about crime in cities. We know it’s a bullshit promise that would fail spectacularly, but the idea of it is scintillating to some. I fear for their votes.

    • chaogomu
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      “Cracking down on crime in cities” is code for cracking down on minorities.

      Cities are huge, so there’s a lot of crime in aggregate, but if you calculate an average crime rate per x number of people, you find that small towns are often way worse.

      • Billiam
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        Yes, but it’s easier for Republican mouth breathers to understand “Chicago had 12,000 murder last year” than “The per capita murder rate in Chicago is 5.2 compared to 15.7 in East Cousin-sister-fucking-menage-a-troi, Arkansas.”

      • massive_bereavement
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        If we put a cost on crime, I’m pretty sure the national guard should go instead to Wall Street. Hell, even some police stations might be costing more in comparison.

    • @EnderMB@lemmy.world
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      This is the similar problem to the election where he won. He pushed a shopping list of utter insanity, but to many, it was change. When you feel that you are on the fringe of society, and that the world doesn’t recognise/respect you, you’re going to go for the candidate that says “I’ll make it different” - even if that difference is categorically worse.

      It’s how the right wing wins everywhere, from Brexit, to the Netherlands, to the US.

  • @Yerbouti@lemmy.ml
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    The only thing I’m sure he will do is ensure that he keeps the power for the rest of his life. USA will have his first dictator!!

    • Lemminary
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      I was gonna say, isn’t that like 5 more years? But I remembered that evil never dies (and Regan lived to 93).

      • @Yerbouti@lemmy.ml
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        Well he has children so you can expect the Trumps to control the country for decades if gets elected. I firmly believe his election would mean the end of us democracy and the begining of autoritarian era all over the world.

  • @psud@lemmy.world
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    I try really hard to believe that assassination is not a solution

    You know, it makes the guy a martyr, and riles up his followers.

    But they seem pretty riled up already.

    And they and he are really, really wanting to make America a totalitarian state

    And if they did, America would break up.

    It would be a generally bad result, maybe good for California.

    Actually I hear a lot about liberals with guns, I guess the left lacks armed idiots

    • @neptune@dmv.social
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      If SCOTUS says the Seal Team Six theory is perfectly legal…

      Then Biden should execute Trump as an official act. With plans for Harris to covertly off him. Appoint someone new as VP. Harris resigns. Everybody is happy. Right? Right??

  • @Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world
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    So I want to try to look at all of these from the eyes of a sane person.

    He will indict Biden and his other political enemies.

    This is one of those things that, if it would have been said by literally any other person, would have signalled the end of their political careers, full stop. But this is Trump. This should scare everyone outside of the extreme MAGA community, but there is a scary enough number of people who are willing to accept this, even if begrudgingly.

    He will round up, intern, and deport undocumented immigrants

    This wouldnt necessarily be a bad thing if done properly. Prioritize getting those who have committed serious crimes out of the country first, work your way down from there. A proper plan to identify and increase the rate of deportations would probably appeal to a lot of people, but we all know Trump’s version is to just round all the brown people up and ship them to wherever.

    He will send the military to the border

    I’m actually going to say I don’t really see a problem here. I will admit to being right-leaning on immigration, and states like Texas that have to bear a disproportionate amount of the burden that comes with illegal immigration do have a point. There’s 2000 miles of border to guard. I certainly don’t want our military just blindly shooting at every person that comes across the border, but having the national guard to help out with border patrol duties isn’t a bad idea.

    Of course, the problem is that Trump will just devolve it to “Just shoot the brown people.”

    He will invade Mexico

    There’s an argument to be made that a joint US/Mexico exercise could easily take out the cartels, who openly admit that they’d be no match for US forces. And I believe such an exercise would be of great benefit to both countries. But Mexico doesn’t seem to have an appetite for it, and the US should not be once again unilaterally deciding that Mexico suddenly needs to have freedom sent over to them via ballistic missile.

    Once again, there’s something that could be appealing if done properly, but we all know Trump will just go back to “Just shoot the brown people.”

    He will round up the homeless and send the National Guard into cities to fight crime

    So let me get this right. It’s going to be the National Guard vs. the Homeless. And what are all those gun-toting, 2A doomsday preppers going to do when they welcome Trump’s national guard in with open arms, only to find out that since they’re the ones carrying all the guns, the national guard looks at them as the threat?

    He will bring back the death penalty in a big way

    It never went anywhere. The death penalty is already an option at the federal level.

    He will make stuff more expensive by taxing all imported goods

    You know what? If done properly, I’m actually OK with this at the retail level at least. Not for imported goods that we need for essential services or anything. But if it’ll help cut down on all the low quality Chinese garbage at Amazon and in places like Walmart in favor of US goods, I’m all for it. But we all know how this would go: Critical goods will be heavily taxed, but Trump will make exceptions for whatever countries or companies line his personal pockets.

    He will reevaluate America’s participation in NATO

    There’s an argument for saying that the US is going to scale back funding for NATO until other countries who have been slacking off start to pay their share. I could see that. But let’s be realistic: The US withdrawing from NATO would effectively signal the end of NATO. And that should be looked upon by anyone with more than 2 active brain cells as batshit insane.

    He will roll back all of Biden’s climate progress and reinvest in fossils fuels

    I’m not saying I necessarily like the idea or anything, but an argument can be made that some of the goals and deadlines that have been established to combat climate change may have been too ambitious. Re-evaluating those goals and setting more realistic deadlines is a good idea; keeping idealistic but unrealistic deadlines will only lead to more missed deadlines which just leads to diminished enthusiasm and apathy with regard to climate change. Better to have goals that are realistic and achievable vs. pie-in-the-sky ambitions that were never realistic to begin with that will only cause disappointment.

    He will construct “freedom cities” filled with flying cars

    So he’s trying to secure the “8 year old boy” vote? Someone may want to tell him kids can’t vote.

    He will try to overhaul the education system in the MAGA image

    They’re already doing that now.

    He will torch the First Amendment by going after non-MAGA media

    To be fair, we really are relying on a document that is almost 300 years old and was written by people who couldn’t even begin to conceive of how life would be in modern society. In an ideal world, I could see the argument that the Constitution needs to be severely updated not only for clarity but also to reflect the realities of modern life. This would actually include increasing media protections, for example, in an era where doxxing of sources is a very real option, and toning down the 2nd amendment to allow for the self-defense that our founders envisioned while keeping weapons that those founders could never have dreamed of out of the hands of ordinary people.

    But there is NO possible way I would want a Constitutional Convention to happen in this political climate or anything like it. We’d end up living in the Handmaid’s Tale.

    He will legally delegitimize trans Americans

    There is some debate over what kind of care that trans children should receive. Should they be allowed to go through life-altering procedures such as puberty blockers? Are they capable of making those kind of life-changing decisions at all? How do you handle trans children who are competing in sports where some biological differences between the sexes (Bone density, lung capacity, etc) come into play and give trans children a significant advantage? What bathrooms should they be able to use?

    Both sides have legitimate points on issues like this, and we as a country need to come up with a solution that all can agree on. That much I can understand. But again, that’s not what would happen. We all know that it would just be “Round up every boy wearing a dress, throw his parents in jail for abuse, strip the doctor of his license for treating them, and don’t forget to fire the 3rd grade teacher that referred to the child as ‘her’ that one time.”

    He will pardon the Jan. 6 rioters

    The entire presidential pardon system has been abused by every single president in modern history. Trump is hardly the first one to pardon cronies, family members, people of influence, etc. He’s just threatening to do it en masse and right away, instead of just waiting until his last day in office and just writing up a blanket pardon 5 minutes before the next guy’s inauguration like past presidents did.

    He will gut the federal government and take unprecedented control of what’s left

    This is the scariest part. Because there’s no reason to believe that the Supreme Court wouldn’t back him up. And especially if he manages to control Congress like he did the first half of his first term. If that happens, it’s all over. There will not be another election. Our system was divided up into 3 branches in such a way so the other two branches will be able to constrain the third if one goes rogue. The problem is that Trump is proving that the system is in no way equipped to do anything about it if two branches, or even all 3, collaborate to take over. The SC has already signalled its willingness to be on board, and most of the GOP congressmen are campaigning on essentially jumping on the train as well. There is a non-zero chance he may get his wish.

    Vote. I don’t care if it’s for POTUS or your neighborhood dog catcher. Vote. Because the GOP have spent decades building the party from the ground up by establishing themselves at the bottom and working their way up from there. If we’re going to combat that, we’re going to have to start doing the same thing.

    • I don’t agree with your responses but I don’t think that’s a good enough reason to downvote you. Your responses are well thought out, more than most, and don’t resort to attacking people or other points of view.

      • @Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world
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        11 year ago

        Upvotes and downvotes are meaningless numbers which are little more than “I agree/ I disagree”. I put zero value on them. It does show a prime example of how polarized discussion on almost any sensitive subject has become: Everything has an “us vs. them” mentality now, and even discussing the possibility that the other side may have a point on something is akin to treachery. People in general do not want to discuss things on social media; they just want to find an echo chamber of people telling them what they want to hear. Rather than have a discussion, people would rather just downvote you, insult you, and move on. You know how many messages I’ve gotten from people labelling me a “MAGA apologist” or something, from people who clearly didn’t take a look at my posting history? Their downvotes mean nothing to me because they were never looking for legitimate discussion in the first place; they were looking for their echo chamber.

    • @beebers@lemmy.world
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      Yeah I’m still hung up on that even though I shouldn’t be. That is so far fetched while the other ideas are much more realistic but much scarier. It feels like a distraction.

      • Queen HawlSera
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        No the others I get, he’s a dictator and we’re all going to die… but that’s…

        Imagine you’ve got a sadistic psycho who has tied you to a chair, and he’s getting out a scalpel, a cat of nine tails, vicegrips, and a bottle of Vitamin C tablets

        …Your focus is gonna be on the Bottle because the other stuff makes contextual sense and your brain is trying to piece together the part it doesn’t get.