Yeah, leftist idealism is great when you’re dealing with people who share those common-good views, but the harsh reality is that far too much of the world is “dog-eat-dog” (a.k.a. “every man for himself”) to be compatible with such ideals. You’ve got to ensure those you’re allowing into the collective mindset are actually part of that mindset, or they will destroy it from within like a cancer.
It’s called “nuance,” and far too few take the time to consider it, preferring instead to not think and just go with the “all or nothing” extremes. Nuance is something that comes with maturity and a world that forces you to learn it or get screwed. You haven’t really changed your beliefs, but rather you’ve just learned there are practical limitations to everything.
This is problematic because it judges human beings based on the value they bring to the state. This is also why “Most of them are valuable workers” is a bad argument. It says we should allow immigration but only if our state profits from it.
If you are against nationalism, you should also disagree with this, as it assigns the interest of the state to be the interest of the population.
Human beings shouldn’t be measured by the work they can bring but by the fact that they are humans too.
In fact the workers have more in common with immigrants than with politicians or anyone in power
Thank you, I think it is a very reasonable take. Not every asylum seekers have value that align with left-leaning ideology. It is hard to start this discussion without being labeled as right wing/nazi/racist.
I am an ex-muslim and also pretty damn left, but it is really hard to have a discussion on why Islam can be Bad. I put my hope for all the progressive muslims to change the culture surrounding the religion but considering how Islam works, I am not very optimistic it can change. We will see.
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If you’re okay with sharing it here, I would like to know more about what happened? Which value of extreme left have you reconsidered?
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Are you no longer a communist over this? I don’t really see how your stance on immigration is very related.
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Yeah, leftist idealism is great when you’re dealing with people who share those common-good views, but the harsh reality is that far too much of the world is “dog-eat-dog” (a.k.a. “every man for himself”) to be compatible with such ideals. You’ve got to ensure those you’re allowing into the collective mindset are actually part of that mindset, or they will destroy it from within like a cancer.
It’s called “nuance,” and far too few take the time to consider it, preferring instead to not think and just go with the “all or nothing” extremes. Nuance is something that comes with maturity and a world that forces you to learn it or get screwed. You haven’t really changed your beliefs, but rather you’ve just learned there are practical limitations to everything.
So? Aren’t they just wrong? Why reject the whole philosophy because some people are wrong about it?
This is problematic because it judges human beings based on the value they bring to the state. This is also why “Most of them are valuable workers” is a bad argument. It says we should allow immigration but only if our state profits from it.
If you are against nationalism, you should also disagree with this, as it assigns the interest of the state to be the interest of the population.
Human beings shouldn’t be measured by the work they can bring but by the fact that they are humans too.
In fact the workers have more in common with immigrants than with politicians or anyone in power
Thank you, I think it is a very reasonable take. Not every asylum seekers have value that align with left-leaning ideology. It is hard to start this discussion without being labeled as right wing/nazi/racist.
I am an ex-muslim and also pretty damn left, but it is really hard to have a discussion on why Islam can be Bad. I put my hope for all the progressive muslims to change the culture surrounding the religion but considering how Islam works, I am not very optimistic it can change. We will see.