Whoever thought that this machine that can predict next word in a sentence, next sentence in a conversation etc. should be used in place of all human intellectual work… should have his elderly care taken over by LLM.
That’s what is wild about it. At any given point in time, the model is wholly consumed only with the very next token. Maybe that token is a running narrative of ‘reasoning’ or directly in the output, either way, the AI does not have anything to model anything beyond the very next token. It doesn’t have a destination in mind and is just finding the words to get there, it’s building it up word by word. The overall ‘meaning’ is an emergent property of just picking the very next token and seeing what happens.
Honestly, it’s shocking it works as well as it does. More shockingly, there are AI enthusiasts that argue that’s how the human brain works, which I can’t imagine someone going through life with every thought rooted in building it up word by word.
I assumed that but everything I have seen as I dug deeper has been that at some level that is what is happening. If it is ‘reasoning’, it’s generating a ‘reasoning chain’ next token by next token and using that to influence the final output tokens. The reasoning chain is discarded and since the actual output is a continuation of the reasoning chain it may conceptually be described as allowing the model to ‘rethink’ things, but even as the generation of a ‘reasoning chain’ has results that more closely resemble reasoning, it is still a scenario where it’s building it one token at a time and we get to see meaning as an emergent property, rather than trying to find words to build to a more abstract concept like humans do. It just gets to throw away the intermediate work and the extra tokens manage to improve the ‘accuracy’ of the preserved final output.
Its just a ball rolling down a hill trying to find the lowest point, but its like a super fancy ball with a ton of rules, and the hills are really detailed with like little walls and bridges and stuff.
Well that description of a car is actually fairly close to the fundamentals, add an engine or motor and a steering wheel, and you’ve got it. Yes, a lot of engineering goes into the best possible realization of those basics, efficiency, suspension, safety, maintenance, and just a ton of more stuff, and it is a very valued execution above and beyond what, say, the Model T delivered. Automotive engineers have done hard and valuable work and complicated work, but no one is surprised that Model T led to faster, more comfortable, safer, more convenient vehicles that move around. It is a bit more surprising that LLM architecture works as well as it does while always focusing on the next token without ability to go further, best case running through and messing up and regenerating until you have operator appropriate output.
The ‘seahorse emoji’ was a pretty fun example of this at work, as it didn’t have a seahorse emoji, but since it wasn’t trying to generate the emoji, it started by building up the words to confirm and introduce the emoji since obviously there will be one, then putting up a wrong thing, then the words that would go after the wrong thing, but the weight still suggested there should be a correct answer and to start generating words for another try, and so on. “Reasoning” does the job of incurring this hit out of sight a lot of the time. Looking at the reasoning chains you’ll see this behavior a fair amount, that the model suggests words that build toward an answer but fails on the key word and retries until something tests right or it models that it tried enough and it can’t find the key word that would have been expected. It can of course digest it’s own output and summarize the result without showing the operator spinning out, but it at all times is operating on the fundamental principle of model+very cleverly managed context influencing an answer one token at a time and ideally discarding the first run.
Well yes and no. it is steered by a buffer of context as well that sorts/ranks/informs what the next word should be. That context differentiates if you are talking about apple the fruit or apple the company or apple the device. Heres a great overview if anyone is interested. And no, its not my video. Its a youtube intro to how AI works. Best watched with duckduckgo browser which trims out youtubes overly frequent ad interruptions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYvlznJ4IZQ
But that context is a mix of model output and other sources. The model output portion was generated token by token, and is combined in interesting ways with things like human response, search results, software output. It’s still a backward looking mechanism, rather than having established a concept as a goal and then trying to build the words to reach that concept like we do.
Size and strategy for managing the context has been critical for improved subjective results, but it still doesn’t exhibit the behavior of the words as a tool to address some concept, everything about the model is about the words themselves. So we end up with something very good at generating what seems right and there’s a super high chance of what seems to be right actually being right. Especially when the software can automatically execute commands and the good or bad results reach into the context window, enabling it to effectively get automatically second guessed. The potential for automatic verification in some scenarios automatically feeding the context window is what makes it particularly appealing for software folks, though not universal.
What you have to understand is that the CEOs and upper management of these companies genuinely believe that human intelligence is just a predictive model. They are so divorced from humanity, from actual people, that they only trust each other, and even then, barely. Some psychologist posited that consciousness is in part predictive, then Curtis Yarvin latched onto that half-baked headline and wrote on it, and then these sick fucks all had the same ideas: That they each are always the smartest man in the room, that their genuinely shallow creativity is deeper than anyone else’s, and that if the next guy who they consider almost as smart as themselves says it’s because humans are just complex llm’s then it must be true; that if they are barely smarter than this shittu technology, then all of humanity must be at or below it.
I don’t need to know any CEO to find a person who thinks they are smarter or better than everyone else. Why americans gave so much power to those idiots is beyond me though.
Also - post title is disingenuous. Current wave of AI is an engineering marvel, marketed dishonestly and used haphazardly.
I think that if you think you are better than other people you are then obligated to provide care and support for those you view as lessers. Then the very greatest that a person could be, and achieve, would be to care for and nurture the most people.
Whoever thought that this machine that can predict next word in a sentence, next sentence in a conversation etc. should be used in place of all human intellectual work… should have his elderly care taken over by LLM.
That’s what is wild about it. At any given point in time, the model is wholly consumed only with the very next token. Maybe that token is a running narrative of ‘reasoning’ or directly in the output, either way, the AI does not have anything to model anything beyond the very next token. It doesn’t have a destination in mind and is just finding the words to get there, it’s building it up word by word. The overall ‘meaning’ is an emergent property of just picking the very next token and seeing what happens.
Honestly, it’s shocking it works as well as it does. More shockingly, there are AI enthusiasts that argue that’s how the human brain works, which I can’t imagine someone going through life with every thought rooted in building it up word by word.
its not that simple. whatever opinion you might on llms have you have to agree this is oversimplifying at best.
I assumed that but everything I have seen as I dug deeper has been that at some level that is what is happening. If it is ‘reasoning’, it’s generating a ‘reasoning chain’ next token by next token and using that to influence the final output tokens. The reasoning chain is discarded and since the actual output is a continuation of the reasoning chain it may conceptually be described as allowing the model to ‘rethink’ things, but even as the generation of a ‘reasoning chain’ has results that more closely resemble reasoning, it is still a scenario where it’s building it one token at a time and we get to see meaning as an emergent property, rather than trying to find words to build to a more abstract concept like humans do. It just gets to throw away the intermediate work and the extra tokens manage to improve the ‘accuracy’ of the preserved final output.
Its just a ball rolling down a hill trying to find the lowest point, but its like a super fancy ball with a ton of rules, and the hills are really detailed with like little walls and bridges and stuff.
My masters degree in intelligent systems wept in the corner after seeing your explanation.
But I guess cars are just four wheels and a fancy basket people sit in.
Well that description of a car is actually fairly close to the fundamentals, add an engine or motor and a steering wheel, and you’ve got it. Yes, a lot of engineering goes into the best possible realization of those basics, efficiency, suspension, safety, maintenance, and just a ton of more stuff, and it is a very valued execution above and beyond what, say, the Model T delivered. Automotive engineers have done hard and valuable work and complicated work, but no one is surprised that Model T led to faster, more comfortable, safer, more convenient vehicles that move around. It is a bit more surprising that LLM architecture works as well as it does while always focusing on the next token without ability to go further, best case running through and messing up and regenerating until you have operator appropriate output.
The ‘seahorse emoji’ was a pretty fun example of this at work, as it didn’t have a seahorse emoji, but since it wasn’t trying to generate the emoji, it started by building up the words to confirm and introduce the emoji since obviously there will be one, then putting up a wrong thing, then the words that would go after the wrong thing, but the weight still suggested there should be a correct answer and to start generating words for another try, and so on. “Reasoning” does the job of incurring this hit out of sight a lot of the time. Looking at the reasoning chains you’ll see this behavior a fair amount, that the model suggests words that build toward an answer but fails on the key word and retries until something tests right or it models that it tried enough and it can’t find the key word that would have been expected. It can of course digest it’s own output and summarize the result without showing the operator spinning out, but it at all times is operating on the fundamental principle of model+very cleverly managed context influencing an answer one token at a time and ideally discarding the first run.
Well yes and no. it is steered by a buffer of context as well that sorts/ranks/informs what the next word should be. That context differentiates if you are talking about apple the fruit or apple the company or apple the device. Heres a great overview if anyone is interested. And no, its not my video. Its a youtube intro to how AI works. Best watched with duckduckgo browser which trims out youtubes overly frequent ad interruptions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYvlznJ4IZQ
But that context is a mix of model output and other sources. The model output portion was generated token by token, and is combined in interesting ways with things like human response, search results, software output. It’s still a backward looking mechanism, rather than having established a concept as a goal and then trying to build the words to reach that concept like we do.
Size and strategy for managing the context has been critical for improved subjective results, but it still doesn’t exhibit the behavior of the words as a tool to address some concept, everything about the model is about the words themselves. So we end up with something very good at generating what seems right and there’s a super high chance of what seems to be right actually being right. Especially when the software can automatically execute commands and the good or bad results reach into the context window, enabling it to effectively get automatically second guessed. The potential for automatic verification in some scenarios automatically feeding the context window is what makes it particularly appealing for software folks, though not universal.
Believe it or not, there are actually people who only think in pictures and cannot actually form words in their minds.
When I learned about that it blew my mind.
Ppl who think in abstracts, ppl who can’t visualize, people who have no inner dialouge, etc. fat variety
What you have to understand is that the CEOs and upper management of these companies genuinely believe that human intelligence is just a predictive model. They are so divorced from humanity, from actual people, that they only trust each other, and even then, barely. Some psychologist posited that consciousness is in part predictive, then Curtis Yarvin latched onto that half-baked headline and wrote on it, and then these sick fucks all had the same ideas: That they each are always the smartest man in the room, that their genuinely shallow creativity is deeper than anyone else’s, and that if the next guy who they consider almost as smart as themselves says it’s because humans are just complex llm’s then it must be true; that if they are barely smarter than this shittu technology, then all of humanity must be at or below it.
I don’t need to know any CEO to find a person who thinks they are smarter or better than everyone else. Why americans gave so much power to those idiots is beyond me though.
Also - post title is disingenuous. Current wave of AI is an engineering marvel, marketed dishonestly and used haphazardly.
If I had their money, I would just study every subject, using every coach, until I physically can’t learn more.
I think that if you think you are better than other people you are then obligated to provide care and support for those you view as lessers. Then the very greatest that a person could be, and achieve, would be to care for and nurture the most people.
That conclusion requires a combination of empathy and compassion, characteristics people who become CEOs who rarely have.
The ones that do often get outmaneuvered by their peers and get kicked out.