this us really odd behaviour. seems like either you mentioned something about china in the prompt or deepseek did some aggressive post training on those distillations to make them mention this, which would be news to me.
anyway, here’s the obligatory whatever:
do not use LMs even if it is to make fun of them… and yes even if it is a locally hosted model iguess too
EDIT: this is a bit. im pretending to be the unnuanced anti-ai peep i see so often on lemmy. please dont reply with arguments I won’t read thru, I dont actually take this stance.
I don’t see a ‘should’? That’s a straight command. And even if it were there, is it any more reasonable to dictate what people should not do with their computers?
Because you’re an earthling, just like all of us, and LMs are threatening earth, and it is your duty to not use them, especially not for stupid memes. You must stop using LMs on your own computer or anywhere. I am telling you that as your sister on this planet that we both inhabit.
I honestly can’t tell if you’re joking at my expense or if you’re serious. This thread started to feel like Hexbear for some reason and it makes me want to cry
If you’re joking know that this is a totally believable sentiment for somebody on Lemmy to have.
If you’re serious, then you’re delusional. LLMs themselves can’t threathen anything, they’re not alive. You might be thinking about their power usage or the sentiments of the companies that make them, but none of that is a factor when using them locally. The computer uses the same power regardless of if it’s used to play games or generate text.
Honestly fuck this platform. It is insufferable to post something I had found amusing just to be scolded for not following the Lemmy hivemind. If anyone knows a platform that’s not corporate and doesn’t have such a kneejerk hatred of llms dm me. Goodbye
Lmao if people not wanting to see a user support an industry that’s killing the planet at an alarming scale in such a short time makes you want to leave, then I guess good riddance.
“see if I make weapons at HOME with the gun-O-matic that Lockheed stole and killed so much to produce, I’m not supporting the military industrial complex!”
A individual running a language model on a single 16gb GPU causes orders of magnitude less environmental damage than buying a carton of almond milk. Please direct your anger where it actually belongs, at the goddamn capitalist vampires building hyperscale datacenters.
what’s the argument against locally hosted AI? lile seriously man I have issues with plagiarism, innacurate information and social dependency, but even with all that AI isn’t of the devil. Learn to have nuance
local models don’t appear out of the ether. using a local model solves one problem around privacy of your prompts, does little about consolidation of power, and nothing about the thousands of other problems genai brings.
if your organic coffee is made with slave labor, you still have a massive problem.
and they may not be of the devil, but they definitely are of the humans who most resemble the devil.
The models you are self-hosting first have to be trained at the data centers, which is a contributing factor to the environmental impact of AI.
I know how to run local models, but just because they’re more environmentally friendly than alternatives doesn’t mean they’re not still contributing to the broader environmental impact of data centers.
How does running a local LLM that’s already been trained contribute to the environmental costs of training? It’s already trained whether I run it or not, and running it locally isn’t generating any revenue for the company that did the training (therefore it doesn’t encourage them to train more). This isn’t like a physical product where every time someone obtains a copy, more environmental damage has to be done manufacturing it, training is a one time cost.
The environmental impact of running a local LLM is significantly lower than buying a half-gallon carton of almond milk.
Sure, but you could also make the argument that anything based on networked computing is contributing to the spread of data centers. AI is a large part of that today, but it’s not like data centers never existed prior to ChatGPT. Before, it was about trying to convince laypeople to avoid “the cloud”.
Non-AI datacenters aren’t massive fuckoff Complexes that spew pollution (noise and atmospheric) into the surrounding area and triple your electric bill. It’s the massive hyperscale AI datacenters that are the problem.
That’s true, loads of non-AI datacenters are also environmentally destructive noise pollution machines, which also needs to be dealt with, but hyperscale AI datacenters are much more environmentally destructive much more of the time. You’re right tho
this us really odd behaviour. seems like either you mentioned something about china in the prompt or deepseek did some aggressive post training on those distillations to make them mention this, which would be news to me.
anyway, here’s the obligatory whatever:
EDIT: this is a bit. im pretending to be the unnuanced anti-ai peep i see so often on lemmy. please dont reply with arguments I won’t read thru, I dont actually take this stance.
I hadn’t, that’s why it seemed strange.
What obliges you to tell me what I can do with my own computer?
Nobody is telling you what you can do, just what you shouldn’t. If you can’t understand the difference, that’s on you.
I don’t see a ‘should’? That’s a straight command. And even if it were there, is it any more reasonable to dictate what people should not do with their computers?
Because you’re an earthling, just like all of us, and LMs are threatening earth, and it is your duty to not use them, especially not for stupid memes. You must stop using LMs on your own computer or anywhere. I am telling you that as your sister on this planet that we both inhabit.
Love you
I honestly can’t tell if you’re joking at my expense or if you’re serious. This thread started to feel like Hexbear for some reason and it makes me want to cry
If you’re joking know that this is a totally believable sentiment for somebody on Lemmy to have.
If you’re serious, then you’re delusional. LLMs themselves can’t threathen anything, they’re not alive. You might be thinking about their power usage or the sentiments of the companies that make them, but none of that is a factor when using them locally. The computer uses the same power regardless of if it’s used to play games or generate text.
Honestly fuck this platform. It is insufferable to post something I had found amusing just to be scolded for not following the Lemmy hivemind. If anyone knows a platform that’s not corporate and doesn’t have such a kneejerk hatred of llms dm me. Goodbye
Lmao if people not wanting to see a user support an industry that’s killing the planet at an alarming scale in such a short time makes you want to leave, then I guess good riddance.
“see if I make weapons at HOME with the gun-O-matic that Lockheed stole and killed so much to produce, I’m not supporting the military industrial complex!”
A individual running a language model on a single 16gb GPU causes orders of magnitude less environmental damage than buying a carton of almond milk. Please direct your anger where it actually belongs, at the goddamn capitalist vampires building hyperscale datacenters.
nothin, I was trynna make a bit about the general opinion on balahj lemmy, that is: ML bad no matter what.
its a bit, I dont actually take that stance.
Thank you you saved my sanity
what’s the argument against locally hosted AI? lile seriously man I have issues with plagiarism, innacurate information and social dependency, but even with all that AI isn’t of the devil. Learn to have nuance
local models don’t appear out of the ether. using a local model solves one problem around privacy of your prompts, does little about consolidation of power, and nothing about the thousands of other problems genai brings.
if your organic coffee is made with slave labor, you still have a massive problem.
and they may not be of the devil, but they definitely are of the humans who most resemble the devil.
I don’t follow, how does running a local model consolidate power? Geniune question
re-read, it says the opposite: helps a little.
although, tbh, i’m not entirely sure of that either, but the reasoning is complex and longer-term.
Oh I see
Do you live in the environment, like the rest of us? I’ve got some bad news about AI.
Someone self hosting an AI is doing less environmental damage than a good video game play session, though.
The models you are self-hosting first have to be trained at the data centers, which is a contributing factor to the environmental impact of AI.
I know how to run local models, but just because they’re more environmentally friendly than alternatives doesn’t mean they’re not still contributing to the broader environmental impact of data centers.
How does running a local LLM that’s already been trained contribute to the environmental costs of training? It’s already trained whether I run it or not, and running it locally isn’t generating any revenue for the company that did the training (therefore it doesn’t encourage them to train more). This isn’t like a physical product where every time someone obtains a copy, more environmental damage has to be done manufacturing it, training is a one time cost.
The environmental impact of running a local LLM is significantly lower than buying a half-gallon carton of almond milk.
Sure, but you could also make the argument that anything based on networked computing is contributing to the spread of data centers. AI is a large part of that today, but it’s not like data centers never existed prior to ChatGPT. Before, it was about trying to convince laypeople to avoid “the cloud”.
Non-AI datacenters aren’t massive fuckoff Complexes that spew pollution (noise and atmospheric) into the surrounding area and triple your electric bill. It’s the massive hyperscale AI datacenters that are the problem.
They still are, and it’s been known and talked about for years. All of these predate the AI boom:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/data-centres-dirty-energy-secret/
https://web.archive.org/web/20120927113253/https://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/23/technology/data-centers-waste-vast-amounts-of-energy-belying-industry-image.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20190821212342/https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/chandler/2018/04/15/chandler-tech-company-hums-along-and-noise-annoying-residents/504641002/
That’s true, loads of non-AI datacenters are also environmentally destructive noise pollution machines, which also needs to be dealt with, but hyperscale AI datacenters are much more environmentally destructive much more of the time. You’re right tho
Server farms before AI weren’t growimg out of control and spinning up gas yurbines everywhere. That’s the boom and bust of AI training.
Depends on a lot of factors, I would imagine.
I was trynna make a bit about it because peeps on here are so furiously against anything ML by now that I’m sure this is the stance.
i dont actually take this stance.
Don’t do anything, ever. Just don’t.