He could have stepped down as a meme legend years ago, but instead …
Unpopular opinion: We should offer all dictators and their friends a safe retirement package.
Cornered dictators are dangerous. They will always keep escalating because the alternative isn’t just their neck on the block, it’s all of their friends and family too.
tried that with Napoleon - didnt stick
he was exiled. not exactly chopped.
Yes but that was supposed to be the magnanimous and merciful “safe retirement package” as an alternative to certain death at the hands of an executioner. Exile wasn’t a death sentence. Life definitely wouldn’t have been easy, but he had servants who joined him in exile to help keep him alive and happy.
Instead, he found a way back to France and the first army that arrived to intercept him immediately put themselves under his command again. That’s the danger of allowing warmongering dictators to have their cushy exit strategy - they may not see it as a way out of ultimate punishment, but as a reset button.
I’m less worried about that in this case. Napoleon was one of the greatest generals in human history, he was inspiring. Putin has been failing to conquer the poorest country in Europe for over four years.
With the frankly shocking number of Americans who espouse their unwavering support for Trump, no matter what he says or does, I have very little faith in humanity’s collective ability to judge leaders objectively.
Holy whoosh batman.
Gotta chat with air traffic controllers for how much airspace there is between you and this comment chain.
Wait, prison isn’t a retirement package (of sorts)?
That’s exactly why total annihilation of a populace is always a bad idea. Putin sucks, but the world must be ready to integrate the Russian population after everything’s done or we’ll be back where we started in a few years. Germany taught that lesson, but look at all the historians crying in the corner.
I’ve been saying this for years. Perceived justice/punishment is not worth the lives of thousands of innocents.
I don’t think most of them would do it if they had to give up their power and wealth.
It’s not for when things are going well. It’s for when their backs are against the wall. They are very heavily incentivtized to fight to the last no matter the cost.
I absolutely agree. What good is retribution, in the face of all the untold future injustices and suffering that could be prevented by allowing dictators and their ilk to simply… stop being dictators?
At the end of the day, “just desserts” really aren’t all that they’re cracked up to be. Tasty as they may be, they are just desserts. Have a strudel or a pudding instead.
Agree. We all hate Putin, but he is the only person with the power to stop the war.
Putin had that posibiblty by not doing what he did, giving this option to them means they have no reason to not try this shit, I disagree firmly with this idea
Hey come on we all went a bit crazy and looked for a new hobby during covid /s
I appreciate the sentiment.
I disagree.
They have never hesitated to chop necks on blocks, why shouldn’t they be Romanoved out of the gene pool?
how about a free prescription for lake city quiet pills with unlimited refills?
We didn’t do such for Hitler and Mussolini.
Besides, Putin can take refuge in China or North Korea, maybe even Belarus, Cuba, or Nicaragua.
We didn’t do such for Hitler
Not so sure about that…
Mussolini, sure. Hitler may have died an old man in Argentina.
I don’t know man, this sounds good at first but think of how many thousands of lives would be saved if we let a handful of evil people go unpunished.
The most probable “punishment” that Putin is going to get at this rate is dying while sleeping without any pain.
About two weeks ago, another Penza resident reported that her 61-year-old husband, who has no teeth, suffers from hearing problems, and has a disabled arm, was summoned to the military enlistment office on Skladskaya Street. According to her, he was suffocated with a plastic bag and forced to sign a contract.
She said that her husband had previously fought in the war in 2022 and returned home after being wounded. Their son has also been mobilized.
.ml users will continue to support Russia and Putin though…
I am surprised they haven’t downvoted this comment yet.
The tankies tend to block lemmy.world.
They would be mad if they could read
The average .ml user is even more detached from reality than Putin, Trump or any other politican.
Because theyre not on the front lines.
what part of Ukraine are you currently serving in?
One doesn’t have to be in Ukraine to help.
Man would it be funny watching Putin get thrown out of a window
Yay, defenestration!!!
I think it’d look something like this https://youtu.be/JGos7T0RKn8?t=160
Because sending 400 000 more people to die will just make them love him even more.
You are misunderstanding the situation. He is afraid of the people with power, money, influence - those are not the people they will send to die in a pointless war
Fewer folks around with access to rope!
Ah, but more rope available per person.
that’s communism ™!
Well… That makes it oddly appropriate then.
or a large open window, or a very energetic volatile device.
one thing putin loves is bombing people, maybe its one of the things he should be aware of.
DIY drones might offer a huge change to politics as usual
hes sending “undesirables” though(400k non-moscowvites, or st petersberg) its all foreigners, and ethinic russians.
Yevgeny Prigozhin was close
I will never understand why he stopped, he was always dead either way
his plane must be unluckly to highly energetic materials on board.
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Imagine making the decision of sacrificing hundreds of thousands of additional lives to delay your own inevitable demise caused by your own astronomical fuck up.
Putin is a cowardly bitch.
Honestly it need not even be his demise. There are any number of countries he could flee to, countries without extradition treaties and willing to look the other way for any rich despot looking for a safe harbor. Some small Middle East dictatorship seems a logical choice. But even China would probably offer him refuge. Even North Korea if he’s truly desperate. Hell, if he offered to end the war tomorrow, most Western countries would probably be willing to offer Putin amnesty, as painful as that would be. If the choice is between holding Putin accountable and saving another hundred thousand innocent lives, I’ll let Putin go.
What he is truly afraid of is losing power. He can keep his life. He can keep at least a lot of his wealth. The one thing he can’t flee the country with is his power.
In the modern world, dictators never need fear their personal survival. International pariah dictators all support each other. There’s a reason Trump cozies up to despots. The dictators all realize that any of them could be deposed, and that losing power will result flight or death. They’re all paranoid and afraid of losing power and their lives. So they all backstop each other and provide what assistance they can. And what even the poorest dictator can offer is protection from extradition.
No self respecting western country would take him The russians would kill him if he went to the US. Whoever takes over will decide if he is returned from an ally. Stalin had much tighter control and he couldnt leave office because of te same fears. He would give up the power if it meant he wouldnt die immediately. They would hang every failure on him, publicly trial him and sentence him the rest of his natural life in a camp.
Imagine blindly following such an asshole and allowing your own fathers, sons, brothers to blindly become part of the meat grinder because you’re too ignorant to fucking rise up and get rid of this dipshit.
We’re still talking Putin right? Not Trump’s Iran debacle? I suppose it’s technically not a meat grinder… yet… we’ll see what he does after the midterms.
…delay by less than a year
I hear not attacking your neighbors does wonders for your longevity.
Your lucky if they hang you Putin.
Exactly, won’t be much left to hang when they’re done with him
They will hang me
As they ought to
One source said Putin believes ending the war without capturing at least all of the Donbas could threaten his survival.
Even if all of Donbas is captured, he had relegated all of Russia into irrelevance for generations to come. Russia will become a vassal to China. The future Russians will despise him for it. Putin may not personally care what people think of him, but he certainly cares what will happen to Russia’s prestige.
I look forward to the day when Putin finally dies, I will pop a bottle of champagne if Putin dies
Imagine if Putin and Trump dies the same day.
Would be a world holiday for centuries to come
Haven’t done it in years, but that’s “impromptu weekend getaway with the boys” level of celebration for me.
same. and I don’t drink. ever.
I’m more of a port dude
Im personally in favor of him getting Ghadaffi’d
How about Mussolini’d?
Once upon a time, people knew what to do with authoritarian dictators.
He can get Putined once somebody invents a sufficiently horrible meaning.
“Putin on the Ritz”
Drop him from orbit on to the Ritz London hotel.
It should probably involve polonium tea and an open, high window. For starters.
Hung by his feet and dead body beaten by mothers of dead soldiers.
Can I offer Ceaușescu as an option?
Mussolini didn’t get a sword up the fundament. I saw video where Ghadaffi did.
for putin it would likely be a window, a plane accident, a boat accident, a novichik underpants, or an sudden energetically volatile device.
and then put his granddaughter in power, ah la Italy ?
You see, in Italy everyone has the freedom of becoming politicians and since she did nothing wrong she could get in power too, having the same blood of Mussolini do not mean you are bad… Now, i agree with what she did? Hell nah and she can also go fuck herself
Also, most Italians seems to not have learned anything from fascism since— as of now —most parties are far right, right, centre-right and some centre-left, the far left and left ones never get in the parliament too
how’d that wind up for Libya though?
A failed state is always a shit show anyway.
Putin extracted obscene amounts of wealth from Russians, then sent hundreds of thousands of men to their deaths invading a country Putin has a fantasy about controlling for… reasons?
Idk about you, but any way you look at it, things won’t improve until regime change. And Putin executed his opposition.
Plus Putin had stated a particular fear of Ghadaffi’s execution.
He would hang himself if only he had the balls to do so
Can we chip in to buy the rope
There’s United24 for that, I think
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