• partofthevoice@lemmy.zip
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      So when I see libs (liberals?) in reference to right-sided groups, that’s different than what the US calls “liberal” yea? Because I thought, in the US, the liberals were left. No?

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        Fascists believe in inequality based on race or gender.

        (Neo)liberals believe in inequality based on class or wealth.

        So they both believe in inequality. A rich man gets better healthcare, better legal help. Better education. Better food as a child. Have more say and hold more power. Social democrats try to ameliorate that a bit but fundamentally still believe rich man should be above others. This is all right wing from a socialists perspective. This shared belief in inequality also explains how easily they can ally themselves with fascists.

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        Your question is just one more example of how the USAians are cooked.

        How many mandatory History, Geography, and Philosophy classes did you have in your education?

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          4, 1, 0 in that order. I don’t think the four history lessons count. I learned Christopher Columbus was a cute little explorer, for example.

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            The United States is really backwards 🤦‍♂️

            Since you were kind, I’ll share mine:

            For Geography, the average of twice a week for 10 years.

            For domestic History, the same.

            For world History, twice a week for seven years.

            For Philosophy, the weakest link, I’ll admit, once a week for 4 years.

            Of course the density of the program progresses with the students’ age.

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              Moreover, when US schools teach history, it’s mostly a pack of lies. A grain of truth per 1000 kg of 🐂💩.

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                So how can I react when an American guy calls the simple class struggle and mode of production terminology “cliquey” and “hermetic”? 🤷‍♂️ Because I met some of these idiots this week. 🤦‍♂️

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              I realize I may have been slightly misleading, though not much. For each number, I meant that’s the number of years I was assigned to a class. The classes have a year long curriculum in grade school, spanning from about September to June. So I guess I could have said 5xweek for 4 years, 1 year, and none at all.

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                So, in your terms, 10, 10, 4. I wasn’t counting in hours so I dunno, I guess hourly I still have the edge and by the final years the “the New World’s discovery” wasn’t exactly the content of my classes but what kind of money men were expecting to make to get them there, why Italians, Muslims, and the Chinese had a part in that and so on.

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                  It is backwards. It’s rather often that, as an adult, I learn something that is fundamentally contradictory to what I learned in grade school. Usually it’s the framing of events, details that got left out… They paint a story that usually ends with the US saving the day somewhere. Kids learn more politically accurate stories from their family members. Teachers will shush down a kiddo who speaks up on these details, because “professionalism” means yielding to the potential that any one of their student parents might not find the alternative material acceptable.

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        Liberalism is inherently a right wing ideology. You have political liberalism which focuses on all these wholesome ideas like individual freedoms and democracy that are used to market it. But economic liberalism is the meat of the system and it centers around markets, private property, and wealth accumulation. So the whole idea that liberalism supports everyone’s freedom is fundamentally incompatible with enshrining private property rights as sacred because that removes them from political debate.

        Equating private property with individual freedom provides the foundational justification for the rich to keep their wealth while ignoring the needs of everyone else. So all the talk of freedom and democracy ends up being just a fig leaf for capitalist relations.

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        Liberals are the people who support/defend/upholds neo-liberalism/capitalism.

        So they are right wing.

        They are also conservative if you think about it, because if the status quo is neo-liberalism supporting it is opposing change.

        The so called conservatives are the ultra conservative.

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          I think a better label for the so-called “conservatives” is “regressives”. They don’t even want to preserve the status quo as it is, they want societal development to be rolled back 60-200 years depending on the issue

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      It is, for them. It’s not fun for those of us who see it necessary. But it is necessary, if life is to have a chance, and moreover, ab free life, healthy in body and mind.