This warning is like 10 years late.
If I ever going to get a car, it’s going to be a used one from around 2005.
Some cars you can just pull the fuse for the modem. You lose a lot of features, but that’s the trade off.
It would depend on the features lost (I’ve heard rumours that some cars lock the trays or reclining the seats behind the modem access) and on whether such a modification would run afoul of the certification processes needed to keep the car on the street, legally speaking.
For much less mental health hassle, I could simply search for an older car.
There are kits you can get that pretend to be a valid modem to your car, so that you can disable the modem without losing any other features. They are usually between $50 to $100
¡Interesting!
My 2013 cars do not have any way to phone home.
My truck is 2006. It has a cd player.
Well now that’s an interesting one! It has been a long while since I last saw a CD player in a vehicle.
All my vehicles have a CD player lol. Its normal for me.
Cars should not connect to the internet. Or at minimum have an easy way to physically disable the internet (ex: a physical off switch for the modem).
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No, there are many convenient things you can do with having cars connect to the Internet. I don’t agree that that’s the answer to this problem.
The answer is that Stallman was right, software should be free as in freedom (i.e. among other things, modifiable by the user), and that includes software that powers cars. If we lived in that world, cars would only connect to the Internet for purposes chosen by the user.
“Could”? Will!
Wow, the Guardian on par with the speeds of IE6.
Theyve been spying for 15 years. They can control you too. Why do you think they wanted electric steering and to get rid of throttle cables and “safe” automatic braking? Control. They can lock your doors and drive you anywhere, they can slam on your brakes as a semi truck is behind you if they deem you a threat to dear Leader.
The power they have now to get rid of undesireables , and sweep it all under the rug is a fascists dream.
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Yeah youre right, I removed it.
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GM started installing OnStar in some vehicles starting in the 1997 model year so they’ve had the ability since then.
Why do you think they wanted electric steering
Lighter and more reliable than hydraulic powered steering
and to get rid of throttle cables
drive by wire is more reliable and saves fuel
and “safe” automatic braking? Control. They can lock your doors and drive you anywhere, they can slam on your brakes as a semi truck is behind you if they deem you a threat to dear Leader.
Alright man, youre clearly blind to what’s actually happening. Have fun driving your camera infested rolling spyware thats only dealer repairable.
Electric steering isnt actually better. They fail out of the blue and are unrepairable.
Show me how much fucking fuel drive by wire saves over a cable. .00001 gallon? Fuck off. You can still have a tps with a cable by the way which I doubt you know because have you ever picked up a wrench? I have doubts.
Electric steering isnt actually better. They fail out of the blue and are unrepairable.
ok, grandpa. There is no such thing as power steering fluid leaks and belts slipping.
Neither of those stop the function of power steering and are easily repairable. Electrics fail and there is no repair other than a $5000 replacement.
You clearly have never wrenched so you may as we be quiet about topics you dont know. Also youre probably older than me 😅 i just have a lot more mechanic experience than most.
If the accessory belt fails to spin your power steering pump, it isn’t going to pump. Be it a failed belt (which will also impact the alternator and AC compressor) or a seized bearing or whatever else. No pumping, no pressure. No pressure, no power steering. And a sufficient leak, without regular topping up, will eventually allow air into the system. Which, again, means no pressure and no power steering.
How easily (and costly) it’s repaired depends entirely on the nature of the failure. A belt might only set you back $15 to $25 USD and be doable with a cheap socket set and a breaker bar that reaches the tensioner (if you’ve got an automatic tensioner). A bearing might only be $7 but how many people already have the puller and press? Removing and replacing a failed pump? For my old truck the OEM part is discontinued. We’re starting at $80 (remanufactured) going up to around $200 new aftermarket with a reservoir and pulley. And I’ve the luxury of a spacious engine bay and longitudinally mounted engine. Good luck to anyone with a small car and transverse mounted engine; taking off a wheel, popping clips, removing skirting and wheel well plastics… “Easy” becomes relative mighty quick.
I haven’t worked a day in my life as a mechanic (not even small engine) that wasn’t for myself or friends and family, and I still know enough to say you’re either wrong or incomplete in your claims.
They stated slipping belts and a leak. A PS pump still works with those. A serp belt replacement is the easiest possible thing to do on a car besides plugs. Electric? Youre shit out of luck. $3000 down the drain minimum for electric.
I’m just saying the push for electric steering was so they can control your car easier under the guise of safety. Its not an improvement for the end user.
I saw what was written. I stated when/how it wouldn’t work (and, in fairness, if the pulley and pump were seized then squealing and burning rubber would be an obvious sign). I already pointed out the ease and low cost of a belt replacement myself, there wasn’t a contention about it. Electric is more expensive but I never contested that point either.
I get what you’re saying but I hadn’t taken a position on it. I just had a problem with what you presented as absolutes. If I were to appeal to experience myself; I developed a steering fluid leak while in Bumfuck, Nowhere. With no fluid to keep replenishing it, and before I could make it back to civilization, the reservoir had emptied and I’d lost all power steering. It’s just what happens when air is allowed to compromise a hydraulic system.
Now, do I think drive by wire has the potential to be abused by threat actors, the alphabet soup groups, lil Billy’s Flipper 9001, and so on? Sure, so long as RF plays a role or can potentially be added into the system. Do I think there’s an end goal to turn vehicle “ownership” into something more like an unserviceable and indeterminate rental agreement? Absolutely, same as everything else being reduced to a service. But did those questions have anything to do with my gripe? Nope. Without stalking through the rest of your replies, I’d imagine we’re mostly on the same page.
As a quick edit, are you just saying “You can still steer without power steering?” Like “steering still works without the ‘power’ part?” It just dawned on me that was possibly what you saying, and that’s certainly true. I can opine about how godfuckingawful it is at low speeds on rough “roads,” but it’s true you can still steer and get an upper body workout at the same time.
They can lock your doors and drive you anywhere,
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EDIT: TIP OF THE DAY: IF YOU’RE GOING TO REPLY, TRY FUCKING READING WHAT I QUOTED AND COMPARE IT TO WHAT I DIDN’T QUOTE AND USE YOUR FUCKING BRAIN TO GET SOME FUCKING CONTEXT.
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They cannot fucking “drive you anywhere”. Don’t be fucking willfully stupid.
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Daychilde must be working for an automaker or a government and trying to spread lies that “we are crazy and everything is all fine!” No one would get this upset if they were a normal privacy focused citizen not caring about automaker woes.
A lot has happened since then—all the way to self-driving cars… You’d better come back to reality.
So you think any car can be driven remotely because it has electric motor steering? You still trust your blender?
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Tuahawk is equally delusional and/or astroturfing. Best to block them.
People thought we were crazy when we said they were tracking and recording your every single move with phones (I said this for years before it was mainstream). Now why do you think they need surveillance centers? more data storage. because everything is tracked and controlled to influence politics, get rid of undesireables etc.
We are way beyond tinfoil hats here bud. If you dont think they have control over every single aspect of your life, youre the delusional one.
you know you’re using a computer on the internet, right?
Is your carrier pigeon sick or did you finally find out birds are not real?
Stupid argument I see all the time.
Answer: I can shut those off and unplug them or use a Faraday bag. You cannot do that with a new car if you need to go somewhere.
Answer: I can shut those off
Oh no , see, that won’t work , you are so special that in the exabytes of data being acquired there is a committee of at least 20 people in China analyzing how much yogurt you eat.
Read this and burn you computer, sleep under a Faraday cage.
Not about being special. Its about keeping our rights not to be surveilled. Not sure why you’re licking boots.
Yes, ignore what I quoted and give a stupid answer. Good job. “Bud”
You dont think electric door locks can be locked remotely ? They are tied into the ecu, of course they can. Throttles and brakes and steering are all electric and tied into the ecu. So I dont get if you are trying to say “this will never happen” or what.
If youre that ignorant , you better do some reading up because its damn scary.
If you think phones dont track you even when theyre off, look at protesters theyve arrested that had powered off phones. Its called shadow tracking (I believe).
You dont think electric door locks can be locked remotely ?
Go back and read the bit I DID quote and compare it to the bits I did NOT quote and maybe you will have a fucking clue.
Jesus christ.
Ok
“I’m so sorry, I didn’t read the context provided and made a stupid fucking answer” is what you should have said.
Just Lol for Life need a spy chief for this??
That is one of the primary reasons that I am interested in the Slate electric pickup in the U.S. No internet – they do have an optional module that one can add if you really want the extra monitoring/controls that having a connected vehicle provides. Music/gps/etc is all via your own device. I don’t know of any other modern vehicle in the U.S. I can get that has that option. (my 14 yr old car is getting to the stage where repairs are more than it is worth)
Our car was 11 years old and needed a lot of work. We got rid of it for a 22 year old car that was in mint shape. So now no infotainment tracking or anything. 😛
are the same people concerned about car data switching to analog phones?
Phones are grabbing all the same data.
NO! YA’LL THINK SO ??
