Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito, the devout Catholic conservative who has long warned of animus against religion in America, says in a new book that he believes the court’s landmark decision extending marriage rights to same-sex couples was “perhaps the decisive point in our nation’s turn against religious liberty.”
Alito, who dissented sharply in the 2015 case, made the claim at Catholic University of America three years after Obergefell v Hodges in a speech that was not open to the public or widely covered at the time. The remarks were published this month in “So Ordered,” a collection of Alito speeches that he says reflect his judicial philosophy and outlook on the country.
How is any human dumb enough to convince themselves that’s how liberty works?
Genuinely baffling
These are the same people that believe riding a donkey into Jerusalem is enough to fulfill a prophecy about the messiah returning from a victorious military campaign.
Or that when Isaiah pointed to a pregnant young woman, to use the child she was carrying as a marker of time, that that young woman was a virgin, born 300 years later and was Marry.
Or any of ~300 other prophecies that peole claim Jesus fulfilled, but are lying about if you just read the original prophecy with anything resembling integrity.
Yeah, messianic fanfic.
Liberty itself is propaganda and essentially meaning without laws for the wealthy.
To the privileged, equality feels like oppression.
“In dissent from that ruling,” he said in the 2018 address, “I expressed my worry that equating the expression of certain views with bigotry – or, if you like, with dignitary harm – would drive believers out of public life.”
Alito suggests that his prediction has come to pass.
“Quite suddenly, religious liberty has become controversial,” Alito said in a newly published 2022 speech to the Magnificat Foundation, a nonprofit group dedicated to promoting Catholic culture and traditions.
So the lifetime appointee on the most powerful court, the majority of whom are religious believers who willingly impose their will on others, in a governmental and political environment controlled by religious believers in every branch of government, believes that the Obergefell decision “dr[o]ve believers out of public life.”
Big wiping-his-tears-with-hundred-dollar-bills energy here.
The cases he uses as examples involve businesses threatened with punishment for refusing to provide services for gay weddings and faith-based organizations harmed by government health or employment regulations without any religious exemption.
“What we see in these and other cases,” Alito says in the 2022 speech, “is a refusal to live in peace with those who violate the new moral code.” He says the dynamic will “virtually guarantee that the Supreme Court will continue to see a steady stream of religious-liberty cases.”
To be clear, the “new moral code” that is being “violated” is: Treat other human beings like equal human beings.
There is no deeper meaning here. He’s upset that he doesn’t view LGBTQ people as deserving the right to equally participate in society, and is therefore the one being oppressed.
I wonder whether he thinks it’s OK for a business to refuse services to Catholic customers. Or is that suddenly discrimination again?
Is he stupid, or what? Freedom of religion is that you can believe what you want, not that you are free to demand others to follow the rules of your faith.
He’s a theocratic authoritarian.
He’s not extraordinarily stupid, just evil and corrupt.
Someone should remind the bigot that so was interracial marriage.
Of course he ignores that marriage is a civil contract that exists outside of religion. Why would he let facts get in the way of his sexist position.
Yeah, what a total fuckass numbnuts. Interracial couples love eachother and so do gay, lesbian, bisexual, transsexual, pansexual and other such couple or tuple combinations. The sex part has nothing to do with the marriage part. It’s similar to how two cars or different shape size and color can end up in the same garage /driveway/dealership etc. None of the car features have anything to do with how the cars ended up where they ended up at. It’s love fora specific car or interest on a specific feature or need for a specific horsepower that makes a person get a specific car. And so it is with the ones we love… Maybe I’m short and I want my other to be tall to be different or maybe short like me to mutually enjoy our height. I wish I could define true love but it’s probably all those things in a single action and so marriage to that person symbolizes the bond. It also brings all the same tax benefits. Why should people only have Toyotas or Fords, if they want both, give them both. Heck if they want two small cars, a van for the kids and a truck for the weekend rally (WTF is that?) that’s fine. Let them! They paid for the vehicles. Similarly, if you want a lovely person or an ugly one or a tall or skinny or fat or thick or strong other, let us! There’s nothing wrong about it and it’s only our business. There’s nothing between me and my loved ones where any of us care to know what your opinion of us might be. You, the government, are just an asshole getting in the way. Like a dating app… An asshole who wants 50 cents getting in the way.
He’s such an insufferable whiny bitch.
Against religious oppression. Loss of or difficulty to find the freedom to oppress others is what Alito is mourning. Your religion doesn’t ask you to stop others from sinning, it commands you to preach the message of Jesus (and perhaps the old testament if your particular flavor of Christianity is a fire and brimstone variety), and to tell others to repent or ask forgiveness and become religious - there’s a difference between the choice to become saved, and forcing it on others by direct and active oppression, which isn’t a choice. Jesus didn’t say to force religion on people, he very specifically said that’s not the way to make his father happy or support his cause.
That being said, fuck modern organized religions for the most part, I find almost all of them to be born of and run by conmen.
Preventing same sex marriage is the restriction on religious liberty. Religious liberty includes the right to not be religious and to not be committed to following religious rules.
Are the people who are forcing religious folks to marry someone they don’t want to in the room with us right now?
Everyone that supports child marriage, raise your hand.
If they don’t like gay marriage don’t have one. It really is that simple.
Your religious beliefs shouldn’t affect what I can do.
It’s only religious liberty if it’s my religion getting to decide everything. Otherwise you are oppressing me.
Your religious beliefs shouldn’t affect what I can do.
Too bad that some of the worst people think otherwise.
If I forbid you from eating ketchup because my religion forbids ketchup, you would think I am insane and laugh me all the way to the fridge.
But somehow, we keep entertaining these morons.
“perhaps the decisive point in our nation’s turn against his religious liberty.”
FTFY
This depends entirely on the notion that “religious freedom” is the freedom to impose your religion on others.
I feel like my religious liberty isn’t respected. My religion considers capitalism to be a sin in line with theft. When you don’t give to the poor, you sin. Go on, Alito. Rule for my liberty.
The crazy thing is that has just as much historical precedence as any of the bullshit he cited in Dobbs
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