Online doesn’t count since you can’t drop a dvd into one…

Best buy stopped carrying physical media in stores ages ago and outside of very out of date stores don’t have display models like that anymore.

Eh costs likely basically nothing. They appear to use cloud flare CDN which has unlimited bandwidth.

So really all they’re doing is getting their money’s worth from their subscription. Lol

If you want a console like experience on your PC then use bazzite. If you want the same experience but with out the console lock down use cachyOS.

Depends on how much you do with your PC really. Like bazzite has one of the best out-of-box experiences there is. Basically everything is preset up. But if you need to say, leave the steam ecosystem. Things become infinitely more complicated than any other distro to do anything with that is both the benefit in downfall of an immutable distro. It makes sure you can’t f*** anything up but it also means you can’t f*** anything up if you get what I mean.

While cachyOS has the exact same out-of-box experience with the sole exception of you have to push one button and type in your password. And if you do need to leave the steam ecosystem, it’s at the end of the day a normal distribution so you can just do whatever you want.

The downside is you can do whatever you want so you can break s***.

Basically comes down to bazzite is basically old Windows. You are not allowed to do anything really without a lot of jumping through hoops. It means you’re going to get a consistent experience and it’s going to be reliable, but only within the operating parameters set out by the distribution.

While cachyOS is basically all of the same upsides but without any of the guardrails. So if you want just a good out of box experience it’s there. All the compatibility is the same if not generally better in the real world. But again, if you’re stupid or unable to read basic instructions there’s a good chance that you break something and you’ll have no idea how to fix it. Short of a reinstall.

I would give a child bazzite 100% of the time. Immutable this shows work is a fantastic form of parental control. Because while the barrier exists and will prevent most kids from doing something stupid with their computer, it’s not insurmountable and you still can do whatever you want with your computer. It’s just not easy.

But in either case, I would choose literally shooting myself in the foot before using anything in the debian or Ubuntu family if my primary goal is gaming. I love Debian but it in its family of distros are so out of date and require so much f****** to actually bring in newer packages and make sure that they actually compete even half as well as a fedora or arch-based option that it’s not worth the hassle. You’re far more prone to breaking a Debian mint popos install. Trying to make it equivalent to bazzite or cachy for gaming. Than you are breaking an arch install by just randomly installing packages from the aur without reading anything.

Problem generally is that the moment you do have to leave steam. It’s infinitely worse and basically impossible to use for a low skilled or new user compared to other gamer distros that do the exact same thing as bazzite but arnt immutable.

Immutability is great till you need to actually do anything at all. It’s such a catch 22. To a new user, it means you can’t accidentally f*** anything up, but also to a new user basically means your computer is a glorified console and you can’t do anything with it because you lack the skill set in knowledge to actually do anything in looking. Anything up basically isn’t going to be helpful for you cuz basically every guide and written account anywhere you find isn’t going to be geared towards an immutable distro.

The immutable gimmick that’s currently going on right now is still way too flavor of the month for new users who are trying to learn from a ground set of nothing.

If I was giving a computer to like a kid who I didn’t want to be able to do anything I would give it to them as a form of parental control more than anything.

Immutable distros are currently the flavor of the month and it’s basically just that. Bazzite is just a worse cachyOS. But because it’s immutable it’s the flavor of the month and therefore it’s the hype new thing.

Everyone loves the hype new thing. Even though in all realistic aspects, it’s more overly complicated. It’s more prone to causing issues for new users. It’s less proven.

There’s a good argument to be made that the project might just end up imploding in a year or two and dying out and f****** over all these new users who are flocking to it because of rampant suggestions.

Is also the general issue of Fedora and its family being prone to breaking itself from early adoption of new ideas. People love to give Arch s*** but Fedora tends to be the one that actually implodes itself for low-skilled users.

Got to love flavor of the month

It suffers from the same problem all Debian/Ubuntu family distros suffer from.

Being horribly out of date. It’s a very slow moving family of distros. Which can be a good thing if your work load doesn’t involve new hardware and software along with a focus on stability and reliability. Since if things don’t update they can’t break.

This can result in support for hardware and software being upwards of two to three YEARS out of date. Which for gamers for example is unacceptable and causes issues more often then not.

It’s the why fedora or arch based distros are generally speaking the better option to suggest to people. Depending on their level of intelligence, education and willingness to learn.

Bazzite and cachyOS for example are both fantastic for gamers.

Fedora or endeavour for your run of the mill office PC.

There is a serious argument to be made that the mass adoption of bazzite and the general flavor of the month affection for immutable distros is very likely going to cause issues for loads of users down the road.

So bazzite being overly popular is somewhat concerning. Flavor of the month distros have a bad tendency to implode randomly.

Don’t need to be a racist piece of shit and attack people mate.

Even if we throw back and look to older tech that would be available in a poor African country you can find 5+ terabytes of storage for less than 30 bucks USD with shipping to African countries.

Your looking at 7200 rpm drives but storage space is not expensive even in the poorest country as long as you don’t demand the cutting edge. Load times will be a problem but if your poor you can still easily find second hand storage in large quantities for cheap. Iv been poor as fucking dirt. It sucks but as the saying goes, you can be poor or stupid. You shouldn’t be both. And as long as you’re smart about it, you can have pretty decently nice things for really really cheap. It’s just not going to be new and it’s going to be real hard to find but it’s doable.

So again, that take isn’t remotely privileged. It’s poorly stated sure, but the point being made is accurate.

Your take on the other hand is fucking disgusting and you should sit down and shut up.

Realistically a single drive should be 3-4 terabytes in 2025… A 4 terabyte sata is like 200-230 bucks for a middling drive on Amazon right now.

Having 8 terabytes of storage is not hard to have. It’s not like you can’t put more storage in your PC. Seriously I would question anyone with less then even just 5 terabytes.

To be fair that’s still an issue of out dated rigs.

It’s an understandable problem, but it is a “you” problem more then anything.

Companies could do a lot more to compress files and reduce file size but then you just move the problem from storage space to out dated CPUs with long load times and poor performance.

Really having less then 3-4 terabytes at this point is baffling.

Hes a shit bag then and still is. Fuck this guy.

No, I could believe it cat’s a heartless creatures who only demand your heat, warmth and food. That sounds just up the alley for something a heartless crypto minor would find a kindred Spirit in.

Totally checks out that a crypto Miner being lonely would be a crazy cat person.

Till that number starts hitting like 15% because these are just private users. These big companies aren’t even going to be able to notice the shift.

CachyOS is attempting to fill the same workcase as bazzite and does it better. Which is the real problem for bazzite.

And cachyOS is basically just a gamer preset for endeavour. Since all the arch based distros kinda suffer from the same problem in differentiating themselves by just being glorified presets of all of the same thing. Which is both actually a rather good boon but also a bit of a problem with being a gimmick or a flavor of the month. You just kind of pick an arch preset to start with and go from there.

Of course manjaro being the weird one out.

Like if you’re just looking for a straight up preset up one button, go gaming distribution. Cachy and baz both are trying to be that same workload. But cachy just does it better with less weird quirks and issues.

Not to mention they’re both trying to be distribution so you can just put on a steam deck. And again the cachy option just has less issues and quirks.

But cachy is fighting against stupid outdated memes about Arch so it just won’t ever really catch on. So even as a flavor of the month distro, it struggles to really ever reach true fad territory.

While bazzite easily can reach it since it doesn’t have to deal with a decade of misinformation spreading memes.

It’s a fad at best. And immutable distros are awful outside of extremely ridged use cases.

It basically is just a worse version of normal fedora or cachy OS.

It tries to both and successfully does neither job as well.

Arch breaks less frequently then Ubuntu at this point… Honestly I would put arch in the top 3 most stable and unbreaking options.

You have to go out of your way to break arch nowadays. The catch 22 is arch will happily allow you to do that. But it sure won’t do it, it self.

Cause Debian is an out of date rock.

If you need a rock it’s good

But it’s still a rock for better or worse and rocks are a pain in the ass to do anything with that isn’t just having it sit there.

At least you don’t have ear and tail evny it’s so fluffy

I try… But every time I attempt to buy anything remotely specialized in my city it doesn’t exist. Stores just don’t exist for fucking anything anymore.

And if they do they never have anything in stock and just want you to order from their website. Which frequently is poorly made and half the time it’s twice as expensive on their damn site.

It’s fucked.

You underestimate how tiny the vast majority of languages are and how few speaks them.

Honestly I would be ok with then being the next tech silo. If they just actually did a good job more often.

They perpetually suffer from 6 outta 10 syndrome.

They are good enough to use, better then most alternatives, but just suck enough that I’m always disappointed but not angry.