open letter to the NixOS foundation
save-nix-together.org

this thread fucking sucks for me to have to post, but the linked open letter is an important read. none of the systemic issues pertaining to marginalized folks and commercial/military-industrial interests in the Nix community I’ve previously written about on TechTakes have been solved; in fact, they’ve gotten worse to the point where the Nix community moderation team is essentially in the process of quitting. that’s the beginning to an awful end for a project I like a whole lot.

even if you don’t give a fuck about Nix, the open letter is an important read because the toxicity, conflicts of interest, and underhanded tactics detailed in it are incredibly common in the open source space. this letter could have been written about a multitude of infamously toxic open source projects; Nix is lucky that it has marginalized folks involved who care about the direction of the project and want to make things better, but those people are actively leaving, after being burnt out by the toxic people and structures entrenched in Nix’s community. that’s a fucking tragedy.

  • db0
    6•2 months ago

    the resident fascists at lobste.rs

    Never heard of it. is this a hackernews for chuds?

    • @froztbyteEnglish
      9•2 months ago

      it’s largely a bit more indie/non-VC-hypebros than HN, but it also has a standing problem of some fash presence that it hasn’t quite yet accepted it needs to deal with

      • David GerardAEnglish
        6•2 months ago

        it deals with it occasionally, but the best i can say is they haven’t gone full dang yet

    • @geriksonEnglish
      8•2 months ago

      Lobste.rs is an offshoot of HN, started mainly because HN accepts a lot of stuff that’s not computing. So it’s laser-focussed on that, but of course, open source governance drama is on-topic.

      People have been banned for being both regular assholes and bigots - one of the features is an open modlog:

      https://lobste.rs/moderations?moderator=(All)&what[users]=users

      But of course part of the memetic evolution is that fascists have become very good at being acceptable community members, by never giving the mods enough rope to hang them with.

      Here’s the discussion, btw. I’ve been a long-term member so I “know” where some people stand. See if you can detect them!

      https://lobste.rs/s/0qvtim/open_letter_nixos_foundation

      edit I can extend invites to those who wish one, but I’ll do basic vetting first.

      • flere-imsahoEnglish
        8•2 months ago

        my biggest gripe with lobsters is that the mods pretend that software development happens in vacuum and is done by spherical avatars of an idea of a programmer, so any social issues should never be mentioned aloud or – worse yet – discussed.

      • db0
        5•2 months ago

        Yea this is why I prefer the fuzzier “fuck around and find out approach”

    • @swlabrEnglish
      5•2 months ago

      What’s with lobsters being a rightoid meme?

        • @swlabrEnglish
          7•2 months ago

          Ugh. I clicked those links, which were innocuous save the last which had jbp talking. Does eating only red meat make you sound like kermit?