• @smiletolerantly
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    6 months ago

    This is the first mention of Accelerando I’ve seen in the wild. (Assuming it is. I’m not sure.)

    • @Soyweiser
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      36 months ago

      It was more Soylent green, but it also is partially based on (friend of the club) the writings of C Stross yes. I think he also has a written lecture on corps being slow paper clipping AGI somewhere.

      • @smiletolerantly
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        26 months ago

        That is a beautiful comparison. Terrifying, but beautifully fitting.

        I read Stross right after Banks. I think if I hadn’t, I’d be an AI-hype-bro. Banks it the potential that could be, Stross is what we’ll inevitably turn AI into.

        • @gerikson
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          26 months ago

          Banks neatly sidesteps the “AI will inevitably kill us” scenario by making the Minds keep humans around for amusement/freshness. Part of the reasons for the Culture-Idiran war in Consider Phlebas and Look to Windward was that the Idirans did not want Minds in charge of their society.

          • @smiletolerantly
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            26 months ago

            Noone was trying to force that on them though, the actual reason IIRC correctly that Idirans had a religious imperative for expansion, and the Culture had a moral imperative to prevent other sentients’ suffering at the hands of the Idirans.

            IMO he mostly sidestepped the issue by clarifying that this is NOT a future version of “us”

            • @gerikson
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              26 months ago

              OK I misremembered that part. It makes sense that after suffering trillions of losses the Culture would take steps to prevent the Idirans from doing it again.

              And by “us” I meant fleshy meatbags, as opposed to Minds. Although in Excession he does raise the issue that there might be “psychotic” Minds. Gray Area’s heart(?) is in the right place but it’s easy to imagine them becoming a vigilante and pre-emptively nuking an especially annoying civilization.

              • @smiletolerantly
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                16 months ago

                Yep. They leave us alone so we’ll function as a control group. This way contact can later point at us and go “look! That’s what happens if we don’t intervene!”

        • flere-imsaho
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          6 months ago

          stross’ artificial intelligences are very unlike corporations though, and different between the books. the eschaton ai in singularity sky is quite benevolent, if a bit harsh; the ai civilization in saturn’s children is on the other hand very humanlike (and the primary reason there are no meatsacks in saturn’s children et al. is that humans enslaved and abused the intelligences they created).