Or you know, maybe people staying home because they can’t support a genocide, the death of the nation or the comedy option of a dude who cheated on his wife so hard, while on heroin, as worms died in his brain of mercury poisoning…
You have to recognize how absurdly fucked this logic is, right? “You have to vote for the guy currently in office who is actively supporting and supplying genocide or else you support genocide.”
I’m not saying don’t vote, but I am saying that if you want to convince anyone who doesn’t already agree with you then you need to find a different tactic.
This. I cannot morally support any of them, I’m left without a choice but to be berated by the “lesser evil” crowd. I can’t support evil anymore, I have no love for this broken shithole country and would leave in an instant were I not trapped here.
Then stop bothering the rest of us who are trying to make things better. Your whining from the peanut gallery is annoying. You aren’t going to get any sympathy for your bitching here.
I mean, I already have, this isn’t the echo chamber you think it is, and it makes me feel better so if my whining is causing you pains, feel free to ignore or block me.
Do you seriously not understand the implications of a Trump presidency for women, queer folk, transgender folk and minorities? The environment? Years of at least some progress on progressive policies? The minimum wage? Social Security? Democracy itself?
We don’t even have to speculate - they’ve literally told us what they are going to do.
Do you want the best possible outcome for gazans? Then vote for Biden. It really is that simple.
You can simultaneously acknowledge that having Biden in the white house is the best outcome for gazans amongst possible alternatives, and that you find Biden’s position unconsciable.
If you fail to take action, the plight of gazans will be worse, amongst many other disasters as yet unknown.
You are telling me the same things I’ve been told my entire life. Do the dead gazans at the hands of American bombs think I should vote for Biden?
I keep hearing how much worse the world will be if I don’t choke on a Biden vote, but from my perspective it’s pretty shitty already. I’ve voted for the least evil in every election, only for us to arrive here.
Do the dead gazans at the hands of American bombs think I should vote for Biden?
Of course they would, because they know trump would actively grind their surviving families to dust.
I’ve voted for the least evil in every election, only for us to arrive here.
Yes but I’m sure you realise that’s not causative. We’re not in this situation because you voted progressive in every election. We’re in this situation because too many of your countrymen became apathetic and didn’t vote because “both sides are just as bad”.
If everyone voted and the dems had a very clear majority that would make a very real difference in terms of the way the country is going.
If progressives like your good self withhold their vote in protest, the best we will get is the dems just barely getting up - the shitty status quo we have presently.
A democracy with only two options is a dictatorship of the winner. Your political influence isn’t limited to voting though, voting is the first action in a democracy, not the last.
This is the system in which you live, like it or not. You can throw a fit and pout in the corner all you want, just don’t pretend you’re doing anything other than pouting.
I don’t like it, and I would leave if I could, but I am trapped here along with so many others. And I am only commenting on the choices of presidential election, this is not to say that I am not doing other things to make shit better. But thank you for all of the assumptions.
If you can’t hold your nose and try to prevent the highest office in the nation winding back up in the hands of a now convicted felon, I call absolute bullshit that’s you’re doing anything meaningful in down ballot and local elections, organizing, gathering support, anything. It’s pretty easy to pretend on the Internet.
Or you know, maybe people staying home because they can’t support a genocide, the death of the nation or the comedy option of a dude who cheated on his wife so hard, while on heroin, as worms died in his brain of mercury poisoning…
I’m glad you have such a privileged life that you can afford to make such choices. Good for you! But many of us are not in that position and are really counting on not having an authoritarian regime hell bent on erasing us.
I mean, the fact that incrementalism has once again led us to a situation where we’ve got no choice but to desperately save democracy yet again, hasn’t made you wonder…
We’re in a situation where a literal cartoon villain (see Bloom County) who’s also a 34 time convicted felon, is within a hair of becoming president. In a functional society this would be too ridiculous for even a movie plot. But instead we’ve got Joe, happily cheerleading another genocidal war, alienating his base and the future base of the Democratic Party. Why do I prefer him again?
I started this cycle in the same mindset you are in. I just can no longer give my support to any of the horror shows that we have to choose from. I don’t think things will improve under Biden, I do think they will be worse under turnip but I also believe that if we elect him, we absolutely deserve what’s coming.
Maybe I’ve been listening to RATM too much lately but I just will not lift a finger to support this evil empire.
I have some bad news for you. It’s called “reality”.
So while you stamp you petulantly stamp your feet waiting for that big sweeping and most importantly instantaneous change to which you feel you are entitled, whole categories of people face an existential threat. It’s not all about you.
I do think they will be worse under turnip but I also believe that if we elect him, we absolutely deserve what’s coming.
I take it you are oblivious to the contradiction here?
Or you know, maybe people staying home because they can’t support a genocide, the death of the nation or the comedy option of a dude who cheated on his wife so hard, while on heroin, as worms died in his brain of mercury poisoning…
By not voting they support all of it.
You have to recognize how absurdly fucked this logic is, right? “You have to vote for the guy currently in office who is actively supporting and supplying genocide or else you support genocide.”
I’m not saying don’t vote, but I am saying that if you want to convince anyone who doesn’t already agree with you then you need to find a different tactic.
This. I cannot morally support any of them, I’m left without a choice but to be berated by the “lesser evil” crowd. I can’t support evil anymore, I have no love for this broken shithole country and would leave in an instant were I not trapped here.
So your options are work to make it better or give up. You’ve chosen give up.
Yes
Then stop bothering the rest of us who are trying to make things better. Your whining from the peanut gallery is annoying. You aren’t going to get any sympathy for your bitching here.
I mean, I already have, this isn’t the echo chamber you think it is, and it makes me feel better so if my whining is causing you pains, feel free to ignore or block me.
My assumption is that you are white, middle class and cishet male. Because you can apparently afford to give up.
my sincere apologies for what I am causing you.
Do you seriously not understand the implications of a Trump presidency for women, queer folk, transgender folk and minorities? The environment? Years of at least some progress on progressive policies? The minimum wage? Social Security? Democracy itself?
We don’t even have to speculate - they’ve literally told us what they are going to do.
Do you want the best possible outcome for gazans? Then vote for Biden. It really is that simple.
You can simultaneously acknowledge that having Biden in the white house is the best outcome for gazans amongst possible alternatives, and that you find Biden’s position unconsciable.
If you fail to take action, the plight of gazans will be worse, amongst many other disasters as yet unknown.
You realise conservatives don’t want you to vote?
You are telling me the same things I’ve been told my entire life. Do the dead gazans at the hands of American bombs think I should vote for Biden?
I keep hearing how much worse the world will be if I don’t choke on a Biden vote, but from my perspective it’s pretty shitty already. I’ve voted for the least evil in every election, only for us to arrive here.
Of course they would, because they know trump would actively grind their surviving families to dust.
Yes but I’m sure you realise that’s not causative. We’re not in this situation because you voted progressive in every election. We’re in this situation because too many of your countrymen became apathetic and didn’t vote because “both sides are just as bad”.
I certainly never said it’s causative, but it doesn’t make any real difference in terms of the way that this country is going.
I don’t follow.
If everyone voted and the dems had a very clear majority that would make a very real difference in terms of the way the country is going.
If progressives like your good self withhold their vote in protest, the best we will get is the dems just barely getting up - the shitty status quo we have presently.
A democracy with only two options is a dictatorship of the winner. Your political influence isn’t limited to voting though, voting is the first action in a democracy, not the last.
Completely agreed.
Maybe I should turn myself in then, there are so many crimes I don’t commit that I must be responsible for.
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Shit, I can’t argue with a smiley!
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You bring up a good point.
Have fun on your high horse doing nothing but making the rest of us try to pick up your slack.
This is exactly the bullshit that I’m done with.
This is the system in which you live, like it or not. You can throw a fit and pout in the corner all you want, just don’t pretend you’re doing anything other than pouting.
I don’t like it, and I would leave if I could, but I am trapped here along with so many others. And I am only commenting on the choices of presidential election, this is not to say that I am not doing other things to make shit better. But thank you for all of the assumptions.
If you can’t hold your nose and try to prevent the highest office in the nation winding back up in the hands of a now convicted felon, I call absolute bullshit that’s you’re doing anything meaningful in down ballot and local elections, organizing, gathering support, anything. It’s pretty easy to pretend on the Internet.
Ok.
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well, you’ve convinced me!
Can’t convince idiots.
My thoughts exactly.
I’m glad you have such a privileged life that you can afford to make such choices. Good for you! But many of us are not in that position and are really counting on not having an authoritarian regime hell bent on erasing us.
I mean, the fact that incrementalism has once again led us to a situation where we’ve got no choice but to desperately save democracy yet again, hasn’t made you wonder…
We’re in a situation where a literal cartoon villain (see Bloom County) who’s also a 34 time convicted felon, is within a hair of becoming president. In a functional society this would be too ridiculous for even a movie plot. But instead we’ve got Joe, happily cheerleading another genocidal war, alienating his base and the future base of the Democratic Party. Why do I prefer him again?
I started this cycle in the same mindset you are in. I just can no longer give my support to any of the horror shows that we have to choose from. I don’t think things will improve under Biden, I do think they will be worse under turnip but I also believe that if we elect him, we absolutely deserve what’s coming.
Maybe I’ve been listening to RATM too much lately but I just will not lift a finger to support this evil empire.
I have some bad news for you. It’s called “reality”.
So while you stamp you petulantly stamp your feet waiting for that big sweeping and most importantly instantaneous change to which you feel you are entitled, whole categories of people face an existential threat. It’s not all about you.
I take it you are oblivious to the contradiction here?
You are right. It’s my fault.
It is if you don’t get over yourself and vote for Biden.
:facepalm