• @MotoAsh@lemmy.world
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    But that’s still an ignorant black & white position. It is NOT, in fact, immoral, to do a good thing with unjustly acquired power. It is NOT immoral to suddenly have unjust power, but it is to seek it, or use it for immoral ends

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      There’s no way to use that power in a way that’s just though, because the power itself is unjust. Any use of that power necessarily goes against the concept of this being a nation of laws, where no person has absolute authority to enforce their will at the expense of others.

      Of course, if you don’t truly believe in democracy as a concept, then the idea of using an immoral power in a “good” way seems fine.

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        If you don’t work by the same rules as others, they win. This is the real world, not a fairy tale.

        Doing GOOD things is good. Period. It’s the same question as, “if you had a billion dollars”. If your answer is, “nothing because I did not earn that money”, you are nothing but a fool.

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          Then you don’t believe in democracy; you believe that fascism is fine as long as it’s your fascism.

          End of story.

          • @MotoAsh@lemmy.world
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            No, actually. In fact, working under the same set of rules is distinctly NOT fascist. At all. Period.

            Fascism is rules for the out-group that are conveniently not applicable or simply not enforced on the in-group.

            So, tell me. How does playing by the SAME rules equate to fascism? Your black & white thinking is quite sad.

            • @HelixDab2@lemm.ee
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              How does playing by the SAME rules equate to fascism?

              When the rules are, “the president is actually a ruler that can do whatever they want without legal consequences”, it’s a dictatorship for the ruler to do as they please rather than following democratic laws and norms, even if the opposition would use those dictatorial powers.

              It’s black and white thinking because this is black and white. Either you believe in democracy, or you don’t. It’s clear that you don’t, because you’re insisting that the president should act undemocratically.

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                12 months ago

                and what if his one “dictator” act were to remove that ruling?

                Again, you are tiny brained and stupid if you think undue power weilded for good things is bad.

                By your logic, ANY and ALL Gods are all evil, absolutely and unquestioningly. That’s … just really, really stupid.

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                  By your logic, ANY and ALL Gods are all evil, absolutely and unquestioningly. That’s … just really, really stupid.

                  Uh, yes. Definitely. 100%. To very slightly paraphrase Mikhail Bakunin from “God and the State”, ‘even if god really existed, it would be necessary to abolish him’. The very concept of a god is antithetical to ideas of liberty.

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                    While you’re sitting on your moral high ground, evil people are winning.

                    That makes you worse than a bystander. You’re DECIDING to help the horrible people, actively, while knowing they’re horrible.

                    That makes you a useful idiot. Stop being a useful idiot. This is the real world. It doesn’t matter who is most correct in an ideal world when the world is full of terrible people doing terrible things. Either stop them, or don’t.

                    Whining about how unfair things are is EXACTLY NOT stopping them. Do better.