First, let me say that what broke me from the herd at lesswrong was specifically the calls for AI pauses. That somehow ‘rationalists’ are so certain advanced AI will kill everyone in the future (pDoom = 100%!) that they need to commit any violent act needed to stop AI from being developed.

The flaw here is that there’s 8 billion people alive right now, and we don’t actually know what the future is. There are ways better AI could help the people living now, possibly saving their lives, and essentially eliezer yudkowsky is saying “fuck em”. This could only be worth it if you actually somehow knew trillions of people were going to exist, had a low future discount rate, and so on. This seems deeply flawed, and seems to be one of the points here.

But I do think advanced AI is possible. And while it may not be a mainstream take yet, it seems like the problems current AI can’t solve, like robotics, continuous learning, module reuse - the things needed to reach a general level of capabilities and for AI to do many but not all human jobs - are near future. I can link deepmind papers with all of these, published in 2022 or 2023.

And if AI can be general and control robots, and since making robots is a task human technicians and other workers can do, this does mean a form of Singularity is possible. Maybe not the breathless utopia by Ray Kurzweil but a fuckton of robots.

So I was wondering what the people here generally think. There are “boomer” forums I know of where they also generally deny AI is possible anytime soon, claim GPT-n is a stochastic parrot, and make fun of tech bros as being hypesters who collect 300k to edit javascript and drive Teslas*.

I also have noticed that the whole rationalist schtick of “what is your probability” seems like asking for “joint probabilities”, aka smoke a joint and give a probability.

Here’s my questions:

  1. Before 2030, do you consider it more likely than not that current AI techniques will scale to human level in at least 25% of the domains that humans can do, to average human level.

  2. Do you consider it likely, before 2040, those domains will include robotics

  3. If AI systems can control robotics, do you believe a form of Singularity will happen. This means hard exponential growth of the number of robots, scaling past all industry on earth today by at least 1 order of magnitude, and off planet mining soon to follow. It does not necessarily mean anything else.

  4. Do you think that mass transition where most human jobs we have now will become replaced by AI systems before 2040 will happen

  5. Is AI system design an issue. I hate to say “alignment”, because I think that’s hopeless wankery by non software engineers, but given these will be robotic controlling advanced decision-making systems, will it require lots of methodical engineering by skilled engineers, with serious negative consequences when the work is sloppy?

*“epistemic status”: I uh do work for a tech company, my job title is machine learning engineer, my girlfriend is much younger than me and sometimes fucks other dudes, and we have 2 Teslas…

  • @swlabr
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    1. +2, You haven’t made the terms clear enough for there to even be a discussion.
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    3. Uh, OK? Then no (pure sneer: the plot thins). Robots building robots probably already happens in some sense, and we aren’t in the Singularity yet, my boy.
    4. Sure, why not.

    (pure sneer response: imagine I’m a high school bully, and that I assault you in the manner befitting someone of my station, and then I say, “How’s that for a thought experiment?”)

    • @jonhendry
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      1010 months ago

      The thing about AI designing and building robots is that making physical things is vastly more expensive than pooping out six-fingered portrait jpegs. All that trial-and-error learning would not come cheap. Even if the AI were controlling CNC machining centers.

      There’s no guarantee that the AI would have access to enough parts and materials to be able to be trained to a level of sufficient competence.

      • @swlabr
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        610 months ago

        I may have accidentally steelmanned robots building robots (pitching RBR for short) in my head picturing those robot arms they have in car factories.

    • @BrickedKeyboardOP
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      -210 months ago

      Just to engage with the high school bully analogy, the nerd has been threatening to show up with his sexbot bodyguards that are basically T-800s from terminator for years now, and you’ve been taking his lunch money and sneering. But now he’s got real funding and he goes to work at a huge building and apparently there are prototypes of the exact thing he claims to build inside.

      The prototypes suck…for now…

      • @swlabr
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        1510 months ago

        More like you say they’re T-800 prototypes, and I go in and see TI-84s.

        • @BrickedKeyboardOP
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          010 months ago

          Sure, but they were 4 function calculators a few months ago. The rate of progress seems insane.

          • @selfMA
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            1610 months ago

            but crucially, this weird fucker is still trying to have sex with a calculator in front of the whole school

            • @gerikson
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              1110 months ago

              don’t kinkshame

            • @blakestaceyMA
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              1110 months ago

              Enclosed please find one (1) Internet, awarded in recognition of the best/worst mental image I’ve had all week

            • @BrickedKeyboardOP
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              110 months ago

              Real talk: a real doll with the brain of a calculator would be a substantial product improvement.

              • David GerardMA
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                810 months ago

                ok, stop posting for a day

                • @gerikson
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                  1310 months ago

                  Gotta say it took longer than usual for OP to arrive at the real goal: sexbots.

                • @swlabr
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                  710 months ago

                  As the originator of this comment chain I’m gonna count this as a coup.

                • David GerardMA
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                  510 months ago

                  did we just find out about the girlfriend

              • Steve
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                510 months ago

                I’m gonna give you a point for saying product instead of technology. Think about that if you like. Or not. I don’t fucken caaarrreee

                • @gerikson
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                  610 months ago

                  It’s the ultimate math pet.

          • @swlabr
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            Ok, you do see that you’ve written a self-own, right? Because if you do, bravo, you can eat with us today. But if not, you’re gonna have to do some deep learning elsewhere.