• Lad
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    293 months ago

    lemmy.world going hard against third parties over the past few days, what has spooked them?

    • @mholiv@lemmy.world
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      The potential of Trump winning. Unless you live outside of the U.S. or are very privileged a Trump victory would only be devastating.

      In a first past the post system like the U.S. has, doing anything but voting for Harris is in fact supporting Trump.

      CCP Gray actually put out a good video a while ago explaining why voting 3rd party in a FPTP system only hurts your interests.

      In a place like Germany where you have proportional voting none of this applies and you should 100% vote for the best party.

      https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo?si=y2NtQ2K6g9GkaNwM

      • sunzu2
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        73 months ago

        voting` 3rd party in a FPTP system only hurts your interests.

        This position assumes that you as voter give a fuck if one or the other party wins.

        Why would people care about these politcal parties that essentially do the same thing? If they do sure, vote for your guy but practically speaking for most people shit gets progressively worse as we cycle one geriatric clown for another.

        Why not change things up?

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          I mean if you don’t care if one party or the other wins you could do this, but that just means you are one or both of the following:

          1. Don’t have a sense of empathy for those who would be hurt by a Trump victory.

          2. Are personally privileged enough to not be affected personally. If you live in the USA and feel both parties do the same thing you must be.

          Imagine all those people whose lives would be worsened in the USA and all around the world by a Trump victory. Don’t you care? Even the people of Palestine would be worse off and they are already suffering beyond either of our comprehensions.

          I encourage everyone to vote with empathy here.

          • sunzu2
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            43 months ago
            1. we had trump, and world did not end
            2. we had biden, and we did not get saved
            3. American quality of life has been progressively eroded since 2000s by a large margin as result of voting for the 2 parties.

            How is voting for 2 parties going to get me out of this trajectory?

            also… “empathy” is that what Biden administration use when they supply Israel with tools of genocide? this is not a serious argument…

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              We had Trump and the world did not end for you. If you live in the USA that makes you one of the privileged. I know many whose world did end. Good for you that you were not affected. But have empathy for those who where.

              We had Biden and much harm reduction was done. The downward slope was lessened. Imagine if Trump got a 4th Supreme Court justice! Imagine if Biden was not there to undo the explicitly harmful policies that hurt less privileged people. Biden winning increased in a notable and serious way those who are the least privileged.

              It may be true that the American quality of life has gone down. But voting 3rd party only makes it go down faster. If you just don’t care go for it. But the mathematics of FPTP systems mean that voting 3rd party only hurts your interests.

              Biden did not act with empathy when he gave supplies to Israel. But Trump will act with glee and encouragement when he would give supplies to Israel.

              I encourage everyone to vote with empathy and think of the least privileged when voting everywhere.

              • sunzu2
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                33 months ago

                “You must support the regime because of trump (who is part of the regime)”

                • @mholiv@lemmy.world
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                  73 months ago

                  If you are interested in the topic of moral philosophy I have a few book recommendations. I appreciate that you are passionate. I just think an empathy driven ethics is the way to go.

                  • @WanderingVentra@lemm.ee
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                    13 months ago

                    Empathy driven ethics is what’s causing people not to vote for the genocidal supporters in the Dem party. I can’t even blame them for having a red line that is basically “doing what Hitler did”.

      • @CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
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        133 months ago

        “I am concerned about the genocide in Palestine, so I am going to take actions that will clearly make things much worse for the people in Palestine because that is the ethical thing to do!”

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          113 months ago

          It really shows that feeling morally superior is more importantly to them than actually getting results. Harris has some genocide, so let’s help Donald “Finish the Job” Trump win and have lots of genocide. My protest vote sure helped the Palestinians!

          • @CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
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            53 months ago

            Genocide is bad, but apparently genocide isn’t bad enough to take a simple action that will prevent it getting worse.

        • sunzu2
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          23 months ago

          Why are you assuming that person will vote for Trump?

          • @CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
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            73 months ago

            Never said they would. But realistically you have to acknowledge that a third party candidate has no chance of winning this election. If your only concern is Palastine then not voting for Harris actively makes things worse for the people in Palastine, even if Harris is not doing enough to help them. Your options are bad, or worse.

            If you’re trying to build support for third party candidates for future elections then don’t give me any bullshit about Palastine, because that will not help them in any way.

            • sunzu2
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              43 months ago

              The genocide will continue as scheduled, Trump or Kamala…

              “If you don’t vote for my guy, regime will fuck Palestinians even harder, do you want more blood on your hands?”

              Pathetic argument, DNC can’t even muster proper position on the issue beyond, Trump might fuck them harder.

              Welcome to today’s American folks 🤡

          • @YeetPics@mander.xyz
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            23 months ago

            My God, give it a rest.

            You’re an idiot with the laziest opinions I’ve ever seen and you. Can’t. Shut. The. Fuck. Up.

            Grow up, read some books and come back in a few years when you find an adequate mood stabilizer ffs.

      • sunzu2
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        53 months ago

        She is a different person now, trust me bro

        Who does your team support tho?

    • @CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
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      123 months ago

      News that Republicans are actively helping 3rd party candidates so that people voting for them will help Republicans win.

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        23 months ago

        Honestly that’s not a bad strategy. The biggest weakness of the Democrats is the wide range of political views