• @zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
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      302 months ago

      How would you feel if the US was sending weapons to a country that was killing your friends and family? What would you do?

        • @jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          narrator: and then, under harris, it continued to get worse.

          biden admin is about to cause an regional outbreak of war. causing our friends and family to be pulled into it. all because he wouldn’t redirect a few boats to ukraine. I have 0 interest in trump but harris needs to pull her head out of her ass and commit to enforcing the leahy law w/ israel.

      • @Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz
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        282 months ago

        Trump stated earlier this year that if re-elected, he would ask Israel to make the Gaza issue “go away” in under a week. It’s one thing to be supplying the weapons, but quite another to have the most powerful country give their approval to do whatever it takes to end the conflict to Israel’s benefit. There was a Palestinian newspaper article I saw a couple months ago that gave the opinion that under Harris they would get bombed, but under Trump they would cease to exist. Of course when I linked that in a similar discussion I was accused a picking my sources, because hey what does a Palestinian newspaper know about Palestine?

          • Miles O'Brien
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            Trump says a lot of stuff. It’s usually awful. But he’s not much of a do-er

            This sure does read a lot like MAGAts saying “he doesn’t mean it like that” when he has repeatedly demonstrated he means the thing he said

          • @Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz
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            102 months ago

            Agreed that we don’t know unless he’s given the chance to try something, but it’s not exactly something I’d like to “fuck around and find out”. There have been a lot of reports from people who were on his team during his last term that are talking about how he was talked down from extreme actions, and this time his people already know what they’re getting in to and are ok with it. I can only hope Harris can be better than Biden, but we do know Trump was willing to let his own nation (California) burn just because they didn’t all vote for him.

              • @Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz
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                32 months ago

                Voting third-party could lead to Trump winning. He has already stated he will cut all support to Ukraine, which also leads to genocide, not to mention what he is threatening to do to everyone of color here at home. Face it, no matter how you vote, you’re going to be a party to genocide. The only available option is to vote in favor of the least amount of damage being threatened by all parties. Yes, even Jill Stein is a problem here because her stated purpose is to spoil the Democrat vote (which leads me to distrust her “concerns” over Gaza even if she does have a history of voting against Israel).

                Besides which, if you’re a US citizen then you’ve been a party to genocide your entire life, between our direct interference in the elections of other countries, to straight-up installing leaders of our choice, to simply withholding aid to civilians because our government didn’t want to step on any toes. You’re living the good life because our nation kills people for profit, so don’t pretend like you’re not already a party to it.

        • @GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml
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          but quite another to have the most powerful country give their approval to do whatever it takes to end the conflict to Israel’s benefit.

          Israel already has approval! The arguments on the phone are kabuki theater

          • davel [he/him]
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            52 months ago

            The New Deal was an attempt to save capitalism from the threat of socialist revolution. The Great Depression left the working class in grave financial straits, and socialism was a foreign & domestic threat. This was before the socialists were purged from labor unions, before the Cold War and the House Committee on Un-American Activities. The Democratic Party didn’t make concessions to the working class out of the kindness of its heart.

            Over decades, those temporary concessions have eroded along with any threats to the capital order: the collapse of the Soviet Union and the rise the US’s neocolonial hegemony; the end of history. The Democratic party is to the right of Reagan now, and some in the Republican party are itching to remove even the trappings of democracy.

              • davel [he/him]
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                12 months ago

                (current Chinese “Communism” isn’t even Fascism as that still had SOME social benefits)

                Not to imply that China is a utopia—as none can exist—but most of our understanding of it comes filtered through Cold War II propaganda, which, in the rear-view mirror, will look about as ham-fisted as the first Cold War’s propaganda does now.

        • queermunist she/her
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          They’re the target of racist assholes now and their families are being murdered now. What you hope for is that it gets worse so that they are punished for not being obedient.

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              Their families are being butchered, infantilizing them as being too stupid to know what’s good for them is actually kinda racist.

              I think you just want them to be punished for not bending the knee. It’s a revenge fantasy.

    • @zbyte64
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      The important thing here is that I don’t have to be civil to these people. We should shame them at every chance and equate them to literal MAGA. Only then will we win the election, which is what this is about and is not some distraction.