European leaders push back against Washington’s proposal for a broader security framework, warning that Moscow cannot dictate the continent’s future as US-led peace negotiations over Ukraine prepare to resume in Abu Dhabi.

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    Nobody is cutting deals with Trump. You can’t trust he’ll honor it tomorrow, because he absolutely won’t. Better to wait for the next guy, and the new, post-MAGA America.

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    He probably believes that by forcefully calling it big and beatiful he can will those qualities into existence. Classic billionaire mentality, if I am saying it, it must be correct. Plus a significant dose of college grade bullyism.

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      “if I am saying it, it must be correct” is not billionaire mentality. It’s mentality of abusive person.

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        he reminds me of a relative that has Alzheimers. Same obsessiveness, grudges over every perceived slight, making things up and getting irrationally mad about them, etc etc.

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        billionaires tend to do this quite alot, there is certainly a correlation. I think there is also a causation, i.e among people with opportunities it is easier to become a billionaire if you are abusive.

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    To the complete surprise of absolutely no one with the cognitive capability to put a pair of pants on.

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      God, Trump is so excited about this too. Every time he talks about it I get this sinking feeling like he’s going to order the US military to side with Russia over Europe and Ukraine.

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        At least now the US has a house and senate that might actually do their job and act as a check on unfettered executive power.

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          Or… they’ll do the standard democrat thing, and be totally ineffective. Chuck’ll write an angry letter, but still support the bullshit.

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            Yes, we are soon about to find out if the system is truly as completely rigged as I think it is. Only truly naive people would ever believe that shadow money and deep state corruption only lives on one side of the ballot. When the odds are as fully and completely stacked in your favor as they are in the return-on-investment you get from political corruption, it doesn’t only just make sense to corrupt both sides, it would be absolutely blindingly stupid not to. Hedging your bets always pays off, and you win no matter what. It becomes impossible to lose. Which explains why nothing ever seems to change meaningfully. We get some theatrics and some token changes to maintain the illusion but nothing ever really changes, because picking the right party or the wrong party isn’t actually your issue.

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              You’re looking for a far more competent conspiracy than evidence shows ever has existed.

              There’s definitely problems with many Democrats listening to the “political consulting class” and to rich donors, but a lot of the new ones elected are precisely those who are mad at those older politicians and donors, etc, who don’t intend to hold back. A lot of them are challenging Schumer in public right now.

              If you want things to happen, go and publicly back the ones who are ready for a fight

              Most of those “poison pill” politicians like Platner just got kicked out

              https://san.com/cc/why-super-pacs-with-gop-ties-are-donating-to-democratic-candidates/

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            Right, which is why getting rid of those three - among others - should be one of the most immediate priorities.

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        If the USA and Russia team up, it gets pretty precarious here in Canada. One to the south, one to the north, and if the USA grabs Greenland, to the east and west too.

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      wonder does he have a diaper on 24/7, how often does he change it. hes known to not even be aware that he shat himself while wearing it.

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        I strongly suspect he isn’t the one changing it. Cleaning up the shit he causes is not exactly a defining Trump-characteristic.

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    Any deal with trump should be rejected, as the rest of the world well knows. Just wait until that dishounourable degenerate gasbag goes away so we can all start using pens again.

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      I am white and he is not trying to unite my nation. Ukraine is all white and he is definitely not trying to unite it. Unless conquest is considered unification.

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        Heh, trump does not care about unifying or saving Ukraine, he just cared about not wasting american military ressources going after a war that was just a failed attempt at expanding nato closer to Russian borders. If that happened, they would be able to sneak in covert military members far more easily.

        I meant this as in, Trump has shown preferentialism for white nations as far as accords he has signed. Whilst Obama was trying in his time to negotiate the trans pacific partnership in his time, Trump has been avoiding people who do not have the same skin color as him. It speaks a lot on his intelligence imo.

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    What needs to be remembered with the pedotator (thanks stumu415@lemmy.zip, I love it) is that his handlers work for the largest arms manufacturing companies / country in the world. Destabilizing shit is profit. Glad to see more and more of the world not putting up with the crap.

    Ditch ‘NATO’ (It’s dead Jim) military spending requirements via % of GDP, Europe just needs enough the fend off a Russia that’s mostly spent on Ukraine (which should be heartily supported) for a few years until Putin inevitably gets defenestrated.

    Two years of un-neutered Trump was enough to finally break Pax Americana, I guess we’re moving towards Pax Sino or whatever it gets called. Sure would be nice if the middle powers got together and headed that off. Much as I like the concept of the U.N. the veto powers hobble it as a true vehicle of international unity, maybe everyone should join the EU?

    Here’s hoping the Dems actually keep the cheeto clown tied up in serious litigation and red tape for the next two years and the demented fool doesn’t get to release the nukes. Actually effective impeachment sure would be nice. Doesn’t he look tired?

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      The way I see it, the EU is building up its own defense industry, which it needs to do if they leave NATO. So one way or another, the defense spending needs to be up. Although leaving NATO would give more freedom in how to spend that money.

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          You would need to spend money on those drones and nukes, right? Maybe not to the same extent though.

          An independent defense industry is mostly a separate matter imo. Even if you want to keep the militaries the same size, you still need to invest in the local industry for the sake of domestic production.

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        the EU is building up its own defense industry, which it needs to do if they leave NATO. So one way or another, the defense spending needs to be up.

        Seems reasonable, would really like it if world spending on weapons went down, hopefully the spike from being self sufficient is transitory.

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          I hope the same. Imo defense spending is pretty useless for society. Except for maybe the development of new tech, but that can be done more efficiently by spending the money directly on that anyways.

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      What does europe do in the new world when china invades taiwan? Nothing?

      What does it do abiut russian drone attacks supported by china?

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    Sounds like there’s no details and it’s a refutation of the entire concept.

    The initiative has immediately drawn objections from European officials, who insist that the continent’s security arrangements are already established and cannot be renegotiated over their heads.

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      They’re not even willing to hear him out and I’m very much in favour of this development.

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    Not just the pedotator and his master. Also Kushner is involved. Why is Kushner involved when the Dutch have already proven he is a paid traitor? He’s not even a government official.

    From the article. “Kushner sought to reassure European partners that they would not be excluded from the wider process. He said Washington intended to consult closely with them on the sidelines of the Abu Dhabi negotiations and, if progress was achieved, move towards a broader multilateral format involving their direct participation.”

    Luckily no one outside of the US takes anything that comes out of any branch of the US government seriously. Just shrug and move on. Circus de Sac à merde.

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      Trump’s son literally married a Russian oligarchs asset, had wedding events paid for by the Russians. Kushner may’ve been a traitor in some ways, but the Trumps are tied to the Russian by blood/marriage at this point. The Republicans don’t view helping Russia as being a traitor, but as being loyal to their family.