shout out to the lemmy developers for not making us be stuck on the other site
shout out to mastodon devs for making us have a better life than on Twitter
shout out to the pixelfed devs for allowing a actual photography platform to exist
shout out to the peertube devs for helping us not be stuck on youtube until the end of time
ETA: Shout out to the server operators who make the stuff be done
This post is spiraling out of control with disrespectful behavior.
Locked.
If you don’t want this to change, then you need to help:

thank you
Dont forget the instance operators who actually keep the servers running. Donations keep instances up.
oh yes your right il edit my post to include them
Yes but how do we make it into the mainstream?
“How do we ruin what we have.”
Just enjoy it.
Gatekeeping only helps keep the big tech oligarchs strong. If we want to lessen big techs influence we will need to be more welcoming here.
by making that choosing an instance is easy
i think it maybe by a automated quiz which asks you basic stuff and you get the answer
Don’t just say how much you love them. Donate to your instances monthly and make it easier for them to be sustainable.
- Lemmy, Piefed, PyLova, Mbin
- All the apps (and there are quite a few)
- All the alternatives UIs (Photon, Blorp, old, etc.)
Thank you everyone
ActivityPub devs as well 🥰
whoever downvoted this, is the CEO of reddit
Its because of Lemmy being built by pro-genocide, pro-authoritarian, anti-trans communist Republicans.
Tankies aren’t republicans. And I am pretty sure they’re not pro-genocide. Or pro-israel, for that matter.
The ones here on the fediverse support Trump and Putin, the ones in Beijing provided the guns and funding for the October music festival attack which began the war on Gaza. Image attached:

China did not begin the genocide of Palestine. It was on going long before Oct 7 and was started by Israel.
LOL. Dude, you are either disingenuous or clueless and I can’t decide which.
Being anti-Zionist isn’t being antisemitic. Facts don’t care about your feelings. Democrats have been just as bad, if not more in favor of Zionism as the republicans have been.
But we are changing the party.
All aid to Gaza immediately ended upon Trump entering office, and Trump bragged about delivering 2,000 LBS bombs that the Biden admin withheld.

Yes? And?
but hopfully we could fork it and probably have a better time
Or just use Piefed.
Unityposting? Well well, maybe there is still hope.
And if you can, send some money their way. This place runs on donations.
If someone knows how to code, helping with their favorite projects is greatly appreciated too.
oh yes you’re right
I’ll keep repeating this: When people will stop caring about the “convenience” of mainstream social media and move to the fedi, whe can destroy the entire world economy and build something fair where creators can live of their art and content. Everything is ready, thanks to the hard work of thousands of devs, and people wont lose anything from what they enjoy from social media, they just won’t be a product anymore for the techno-fascist tech giants.
Thank you to all the developers and instance administrators! 💓
(Shame on those who stir up controversy for ideological reasons, seeking the worst in people who dedicate their time to improving the technology that enables the use of an open social web! 👿🤬)
LOL.
You might want to take a closer look at the Lemmy dev before getting too excited.
There was some drama with piefed dev too recently. Seems like loads of fediverse projects are run by weirdos.
Most cool things are the product of weirdos.
Dude is a full tilt tankie, that’s not being a weirdo it’s being a fascist.
Fascism and communism are ideologically polar opposites. Horseshoe theory isn’t real, and even among liberal academics is seen as a horrendous oversimplification that takes surface level similarities, like having a strong state, and completely glossing over the core, like having the capitalist class in control of the strong state, or the working class.
Who offers free code as FLOSS, so there’s that. Life isn’t always binary coded.
So do plenty of people that don’t also hold abhorrent views or disseminate propaganda.
We get it, you were educated in the US.
With remarks like this one I am always in doubt. Is this written by a 12 year old or is the truth more nefarious?
Sad ass tankie brigade, can’t help yourselves. Thank goodness none of you hold any actual influence or power anywhere outside your parents’ basement.
It is a little hard not to smile and for that I am sorry. I hope you learn to cope with your anger issues.
Takes a lot of extremism and hatred towards something to actually make people start these projects. Naturally this means that not great people are gonna be the kinds of people starting these things.
Yeah, that’s kind of the sad flipside of things. Seems like social media has an issue with attracting weirdos to its places of power.
what happened
People are upset when the find out the Lemmy lead devs are like straight up authoritarian communists.
Mostly Third-Way-Reddit-liberal refugees who don’t realize they’re not progressive just because Fox News calls thier party “radical socialist leftists” constantly, these are the same people screeching that America only votes for leftists for Senate some places because there wasn’t another choice and that what b the country really wanted was moderate Dems.
Also the Piefed devs; didn’t they get caught hardcoding a block list into Piefed or something? I know there was a lemmy front end that did that (Tesseract; I made the list yay!) but not long after that Piefed got caught doing something similar but I don’t recall exactly what it was; all I remember was that I decided I no longer trust Piefed and I won’t use it. Shit I’ll try and search it and see if I can come up with a better answer
Lemmy devs aren’t communists, they’re state capitalists. The difference is they support the state, and Karl Marx said it’s not communism if there’s a state.
Piefed didn’t hardcode a blocklist, that was a hoax. There’s an auto-federation tool that only admins can use, and it has optional limits on what communities it auto-imports. People took screenshots of that code and lied that it was a blocklist.
Marx specifically referenced a state in lower-stage communism, which got clarified by later theorists as the socialist stage as transitional between capitalism and communism.
Lemmy devs are Marxist Leninist (State Socialist). And Marx did write a out a transition phase. Only idealists think you can “press the communism” button without removing the class contradictions that gave rise to a state in the first place.
Piefed has a social credit system
They pressed the communism button in Catalonia and it worked great. Only problem is it was the middle of the Spanish Civil War, and they got betrayed by their allies.
Anarchist communism has 65,000 years of proven success. Vanguard socialism hasn’t worked once. Russia failed, it’s capitalist. China is failing, it’s capitalist. North Korea is failing, it’s feudalist. Those failures aren’t because they got couped by the CIA or conquered in a war, these are internal flaws to the political system of state “socialism”. The idea that you can slowly reform an authoritarian state into communism was always a fantasy, it never happened once.
Anyway, Piefed has karma. Like Reddit. It’s just karma. If you wanna call karma a social credit system, go ahead, but it does seem disingenuous to not explain what you mean by it.
As a piefed admin, I see a little red warning sign next to Sxan, the thorn person. Because they have low karma. When I see it, I chortle and then read what innocuous comment with a thorn has got people downvoting this time. It’s just a warning that they have low karma, it doesn’t do anything.
I’m pretty sure that was Carl Marks.
Karl Marx understood the difference between communism and communists.
Fortunately, piefed’s controversial feature was a checkbox in the settings that an admin can easily toggle on/off, unlike Tesseract that had a hidden hardcoded list. And as you are probably aware, our .zip admin gives us users the autonomy to block stuff ourselves, so that wasn’t really that big of an issue.
Piefed dev for involved in a disagreement about something, made a post explaining how correct they were, and deleted responses from the b other parties involved.
I don’t remember the details but it’s not constructive to a healthy community.
Piefed dev for involved in a disagreement about something, made a post explaining how correct they were, and deleted responses from the b other parties involved.
I don’t remember the details but it’s not constructive to a healthy community.
Rimu made a platform to be as hostile as possible those who don’t fit his image and bans anyone who questions it. But since he’s not the Lemmy devs people here fawn over him as he is worse than anything the lemmy devs have done.
It’s not a secret and it’s not hardcoded.
https://join.piefed.social/2026/08/13/what-piefed-blocks-out-of-the-box-and-how-to-unblock-it/
https://join.piefed.social/2026/08/13/what-piefed-blocks-out-of-the-box-and-how-to-unblock-it/
During the initial setup process there is a series of messages printed on the screen: “Added banned instance xyz, added banned instance abc, etc” followed by “Manage banned instances at /admin/federation.” The list of initially defederated (banned) instances is:
‘anonib.al’, ‘lemmygrad.ml’, ‘gab.com’, ‘rqd2.net’, ‘exploding-heads.com’, ‘hexbear.net’, ‘hilariouschaos.com’, ‘threads.com’, ‘noauthority.social’, ‘pieville.net’, ‘links.hackliberty.org’, ‘poa.st’, ‘freespeechextremist.com’, ‘bae.st’, ‘nicecrew.digital’, ‘detroitriotcity.com’, ‘gregtech.eu’, ‘pawoo.net’, ‘shitposter.club’, ‘spinster.xyz’, ‘catgirl.life’, ‘gameliberty.club’, ‘yggdrasil.social’, ‘beefyboys.win’, ‘brighteon.social’, ‘cum.salon’, ‘wizard.casa’, ‘maga.place’, ‘lemmychan.org’View related source code. As the message suggests, admins can go to the Federation part of the Admin area to change which instances you federate with at any time.
I mean technically not hard coded, but when it’s the default it becomes the standard. Of course the biggest issue is it’s only viable to admins not the users so
🙃
Just as with literally all federated social media, users are encouraged to find an instance that matches their values and preferred admin involvement, or to spin up their own instances.
Of course users will not have complete control of content moderation on their instance, that is literally impossible on so many levels. If you want complete control, create your own instance. Even then, it’s not complete control because you can not force other instances to federate with you.
If there is anybody capable of configuring a non-default blocklist, it is the type of people that choose to host their own fediverse instance.
That particular part of the PieFed controversy was disproven, yet continually shared as misinformation nonetheless.
All of that kind of stuff is opt-in by the instance admins, nowhere close to hard-coded. Unlike the Tesseract situation. Also, Lemmy v1.0 will embedd a veto ability such that communities not acknowledged by Lemmy.ml will not be suggested to new instances - though this is opt-out as it can be configured from within the code, so also not hard-coded (though as opt-out rather than opt-in, is much closer to it).
There are plenty of reasons to not use PieFed, which is quite opinionated software (though Lemmy likewise is somewhat opinionated also, yet on the spectrum perhaps less so overall), but hard-coded blocklists is not one of them. Like Lemmy where people rail against the tankie devs, people just have a hate-on for the PieFed antifa dev, and like to smear the software with unwarranted accusations (weirdly instead of actually valid ones, which do exist, but perhaps those resonate less well somehow?).
Piefed is fine. Otherwise, PyLova is a fork by a different dev team.
so is MBin or Pylova safe from this controversy
Piefed is fine too. The drama there is a nothing-burger. The tankies are just pissed off that Piefed has better moderation so they can’t troll Piefed servers the way they would like to
Your choice of admin team is much more important than which software platform you use, especially if you use a third-party app like Voyager.
Pylova is a mostly pointless reactionary fork that came out of some drama perpetuated by a bunch of crybullies.
So it’s cringe, but not necessarily controversial. But also doesn’t really contribute anything of value.
How many Rimuminbi do you get paid to write this?
PyLova has many features PieFed doesn’t, to the point PieFed is having to copy them poorly such as allowing more than one image in a post.
You’re only saying that because you’re a butthurt .social mod who got banned from every leftist instance. Now that’s cringe.
See what I mean? Look how fast they show up to push these wacky narratives and call people paid shills.
Lmao, another case-in-point: a quokk.au admin below is unironically calling the PieFed dev an “authoritarian liberal”. These are deeply unserious people.
A piefed.nullspace.lol admin and PieFed support worker has come along to call people “crybullies” and “deeply unserious”. Your DARVO isn’t going to work.
Also no, I don’t literally think you get paid in a currency I made up on the spot, but I do think you play defence for your side and are biased as fuck to the point you spread literal misinformation about a feature rich fork.
And you’re right things such as trying to enforce vote limits on users without consulting people, trying to hide meme communities (196) via hard code is surely a libertarian move and not the one sided actions of a wannabe dictator.
Before I knew they were the piefed admin I had Rimu tagged as “psychotic hatred of leftists, extreme neoliberal” so yeah that seems like a fair label.
Actually I think it predated a good amount of that. Iirc PyLova was started much earlier than most people realize, stemming out of a frustration from wanting to contribute to the project but then Mia’s contributions were reportedly taken by the main PieFed dev without seemingly proper acknowledgement. And then yes the PieFed drama caused additional attention to be paid to PyLova than previously (particularly in the earlier stages of the fork - surely that’s a huge learning curve).
PyLova hasn’t done a whole awful lot yet in some respects, but especially some of the more recent inclusions may be absolute game-changers moving forward, especially the ability to support user shareable blocklists. That should go a long way towards retaining people coming here from Reddit who would otherwise flee this toxic shithole (well, some major parts of the Threadiverse are that way at least - certain highly notable politics communities in particular spring to mind, though after blocking this place can become much more chill! even if noticeably quieter…:-P). And PyLova un-does a lot of the minor annoyances that the main PieFed dev did not feel fit into his vision - e.g. a user can choose to display both upvotes and downvotes side by side, just like in Lemmy.
Meanwhile, PieFed is off chasing better compatibility with Mastodon. Some people want that, so it is a laudable goal, but then PyLova is focusing on improving the existing experience here within the Threadiverse, which also seems laudable to me?
However it got started, it is contributing to improving things, as software forks often do - that ability is part of what makes FLOSS so great!!
Thank for the complete feedback. Pylova has interesting features. :)
It made me curious and i want to give a try.
Is Pylova dev team is interested in Mastodon & Mobilizon support ? I need those two bridge so we can connect to the whole fediverse. :)
As someone who uses both, they both have their place. I still use Lemmy from time to time too.
Mbin was looking for more devs but they’re into generative AI so you may consider that.
They’re Tankies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
You probably want to avoid their instances like lemmy.ml or lemmygrad.ml unless you like to root for the tanks in the Tianamen square massacre.
So a few corrections:
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Tankies aren’t a bad thing, and it’s a nazi dogwhistle as pointed out by your link.
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Being a ‘Tankie,’ isn’t a bad thing, it’s being anti-nazi. The Term was invented by nazis, to criticize the soviet union crushing a nazi uprising with tanks, barely a decade after they won WWII.
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The tanks in Tiannamen square were the good guys. Objectively so. Maybe don’t root for the CIA?
Please be smarter than you are. The people that own every aspect of your life are obviously going to lie to you to keep you under their ownership. It takes very little to debunk their lies.
this is literal misinformation
Be more specific, and please link explicit examples with sources, instead of using thought terminating phrases that your owner taught you when something clashes with their programming.
just duckduckgo it
1: the word “tankie” was made by reformist communistsm not nazis
2: you have a million pieces of evidence about the tanks killing normal people
3: and no, Democracy is a real thing, and capitalism can be regulated with rules (Genius for your chicken strips brain, but not for me), most of the EU is an example
4: there is no thought in communism, communism is the most vague thing on earth, it cannot pair with democracy since it’s so vague
your odor lingers on
the word “tankie” was made by reformist communistsm not nazis
Answered in the First link, calling the CGRB ‘reformist communists’ is the same as calling nazis ‘reformist socialists’ because they have socialist in the name.
you have a million pieces of evidence about the tanks killing normal people
No, you don’t. In fact, you don’t have a single one, because that was never the claim for Tiannamen square. The tanks sheltered the soldiers from gunfire during the rebellion. This is answered in the second link.
and no, Democracy is a real thing,
Correct, and all forms of socialism have democracy built in, as socialism is democracy applied to the economy.
and capitalism can be regulated with rules (Genius for your chicken strips brain, but not for me), most of the EU is an example
The same EU that uses slave labor for most of its wealth? [1]
Regulated capitalism still requires exploitation in order to function, because it is still capitalism, which is exploitative by nature.
there is no thought in communism
There’s more thought in communism than there is in capitalism, as communism is based on the scientific method, and capitalism is built on the idea some people are born better than others. [2]
your odor lingers on
I hope you realize your place and the fact you will never be a capitalist. Education is free and easy these days.
Sweet, fresh name for the blocklist.
That’s sad that you have so much potential[1][2][3], but then blindly and stupidly believe everything the American government tells you to believe when it comes to non-white and non-western people. The links will still be available for you when you decide to grow past your limitations and your owner’s education.
The sources for the blog post in point number 3 are pretty spotty. They quote Western media like the Washington Post or a former Australian official without giving the proper links or citations. The citations to some “Western” sources like Amnesty International are there but these sources are only brought in so the authors can get nitpicky about their word choices. The only solid source I could find was the WikiLeaks source from the US embassy, but that doesn’t contradict the massacre narrative because the wire could have been sent before the violence peaked. The more substantive claims rely on YouTube videos or other blog posts for their sources.
I’m not trying to be hostile by saying this; I’m willing to hear you out. But I will need a far higher standard of rigour before I’m willing to take any of these ideas seriously.
Thank you for being open minded. Here is a much better sourced article: https://canadianpatriot.org/2021/08/20/the-comprehensive-tiananmen-square-massacre-hoax-dossier/ for the Wikileaks cable, no. It was sent after. https://peds-ansichten.de/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/1989-07-12_Lilley_Gallo_Tiananmen_WikiLeaks.pdf
False:
- “Tankie” was coined by orthodox communists to describe and criticize party members who supported the Soviet Union’s use of military tanks to brutally crush the Hungarian Revolution of 1956. And, since you really love sources,
The term “tankie” was originally used by dissident Marxist–Leninists to describe members of the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB) who followed the party line of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU). Specifically, it was used to distinguish party members who spoke out in defence of the Soviet use of tanks to suppress the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 and the 1968 Prague Spring, or who more broadly adhered to pro-Soviet positions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie 2. The Tiannamen Square protests are led by a vast majority of students. Reading the article you cited, it states: “…and are clear that the “protesters” (rioters) initiated the deadly violence in Beijing (none of which occurred in Tiananmen Square itself).” You can see that this mofo denies the massacre happening because it literally didn’t happen in the Square (true, but a non-sequitur). Secondly, that the protestors initiated the violence. The protests were peaceful, until the Chinese government declared martial law and ordered thousands of People’s Liberation Army (PLA) troops into Beijing. 3. Sure. The article is fucking misleading. Let’s assume it is right, and even then, your (3) is yet again a non-sequitur: because the protestors initiated the violence does not make the massacre justified.
The right wing of the CPGB that supported the counterrevolution in Hungary were not “Orthodox communists.” You seem to think Marxism is a purity-based moralist doctrine, but in fact the right-wing supported a fascist movement and a destruction of worker power. The Hungarian revolt in 1956 was infested with anti-semitic pograms. MI6 funded, supplied, and trained the Hungarian counter-revolutionaries. These counter-revolutionaries were allied with fascists who were lynching Jewish people and Communists. The Truth About Hungary by Herbert Aptheker heavily relies on citing western sources like the New York Times. Aptheker backs up his claims heavily.
"The special correspondent of the Yugoslav paper, Politika, (Nov. 13, 1956) describing the events of those days, said that the homes of Communists were marked with a white cross and those of Jews with a black cross, to serve as signs for the extermination squads. “There is no longer any room for doubt,” said the Yugoslav reporter, “it is an example of classic Hungarian fascism and of White Terror. The information,” continued this writer, “coming from the provinces tells how in certain places Communists were having their eyes put out, their ears cut off, and that they were being killed in the most terrible ways.”
“But the forces of reaction were rapidly consolidating their power and pushing forward on the top levels, while in the streets the blood of scores of massacred Communists, Jews, and progressives was flowing.”
“Some of the reports reaching Warsaw from Budapest today caused considerable concern. These reports told of massacres of Communists and Jews by what were described as 'Fascist elements’ …” (N.Y. Times, Nov. 1. 1956)
“The evidence is conclusive that the entry of Soviet troops into Budapest stopped the execution of scores, perhaps thousands of Jews, for by the end of October and early November, anti-Semtic pogroms - hallmark of unbridled fascistic terror - were making their appearance, after an absence of some ten years, within Hungary.”
"A correspondent of the Israeli newspaper Maariv (Tel Aviv) reported:
During the uprising a number of former Nazis were released from prison and other former Nazis came to Hungary from Salzburg . . . I met them at the border . . . I saw anti-Semitic posters in Budapest . . . On the walls, street lights, streetcars, you saw inscriptions reading: “Down with Jew Gero!” “Down with Jew Rakosi!” or just simply “down with the Jews!”
Leading rabbinical circles in New York received a cable early in November from corresponding circles in Vienna that “Jewish blood is being shed by the rebels in Hungary.” Very much later-in February, 1957-the World Jewish Congress reported that “anti-Semitic excesses occurred in more than twenty villages and smaller provincial towns during the October-November revolt.” This occurred, according to this very conservative body, because “fascist and anti-Semitic groups had apparently seized the opportunity, presented by the absence of a central authority, to come to the surface.” Many among the Jewish refugees from Hungary, the report continued, had fled from this anti-Semitic pogrom-like atmosphere (N.Y. Times, Feb. 15, 1957). This confirmed the earlier report made by the British Rabbi, R. Pozner, who, after touring refugee camps, declared that “the majority of Jews who left Hungary did so for fear of the Hungarians and not the Russians.” The Paris Jewish newspaper, Naye Presse, asserted that Jewish refugees in France claimed quite generally that Soviet soldiers had saved their lives."
Further, the CIA also backed Hungarian resistance forces:

Prague in 1968 was a similar fascist uprising in both cases there were some elements of progressive protest, but these were greatly overshadowed by the fascist movements. Dubcek wanted to sell out to the IMF, and restore capitalism. The idea that any of this was about “democracy” or “freedom” is silly, it was always about Cold War tactics to destabilize socialism.
TL;DR imagine if the January 6th rioters were armed and trained by foreign governments, started lynching officials and Jewish people, and the US sent in the army to put down the insurrection. The MAGA chuds would claim that it was about “freedom” and “democracy,” but we all know that they just wanted Trump in office.
Regarding the Tian’anmen protests, a color revolution grew from what originated as protests against the marketization shifts under Deng Xiaoping that had turned into western-backed protests against CPC control, resulting in a few hundred deaths from clashes between rioters and the PLA around Beijing after the PLA had been sent in to disburse the protests. Once the PLA reached Tian’anmen Square, the center of the protests, the square was dispersed bloodlessly. The CIA-backed student leaders were evacuated in Operation Yellowbird. For more, I recommend this Tian’anmen Protests reading list.
Hi, my two sources directly answer your CIA propaganda and debunk it.
Thanks for proving your illiteracy.
thank you for proving that you supported a actual massacre and supporting ethnic cleansing by the russian government
There was no ethnic cleansing. https://www.idcommunism.com/2016/10/truth-and-lies-about-socialism-on-60th.html
Hi, yes. One of your sources, Hampton Think, is a leftist “proletariat” (self-described; on Hampton Think’s about page). They are an open platform with no fact checking, so:
- Not only are you citing a leftist source, which, saying this by itself, is an ad hominem
- And they have no fact-checking or peer review
- You are using it to justify anti-capitalist and pro-socialist ideologies. This is circular logic; using anti-capitalist cherry-picked proof to reinforce your anti-capitalist ideology. Addendum: What do you think about “In defense of Communism”, your second source? Yeah. Give me some real sources next time.
Addendum:

My bad for using the r-word for offended folks; it was in the heat of the moment
Cool, the paper I linked specifically has sources for all of its claims.
For your 3rd point, look to the world right now. Congrats, its worse than the any socialist country ever was.
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oh no
but i hope that someone who isnt rooting for world war 3, is probably gonna fork it
shoutout to mbin and friendica devs when
shout out to mbin for making new ideas
shout out to friendica for making the facebook alternative
Danke!
I should use Friendica more (or, like, at all), but I’m lazy.
we are in the 750th upvote, thank y’all for upvoting
Well, not all of them. Some of them are a stain on this earth.
Let’s keep it respectful.
Respecting Tankies? You might as well be asking me to pay respects to Adolf Hitler, fat chance mate.
You don’t have to respect anything or anyone, but if you’re going to post disrespectful things (like calling people “stains on the earth”) I’ll have to ban you.
Getting banned for opposing tankies is a badge of honor, go straight ahead, nazi sympathizer.
Got it.
Removed by mod
That’s like saying you hate MAGA a weird amount.
Removed by mod
Thanks, Lemmy folks! I have been, and intend to continue to be, intending to put up a server.
I’m sorry, in advance, for what is going to happen to all your hard work, as Reddit craters and all the oligarch bots start coming here to manipulate the populace / control the narrative.
As I’ve been saying since Usenet and Slashdot; it was good while it lasted.

























