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And then Israel will bomb Gazans as they’re rushing to get some food
Using the weapons that the US supplied to Israel
Israel builds their own weapons and have for many years. The US and many others but them though and that supports them.
https://www.axios.com/2023/11/29/us-weapons-provided-israel-aircraft-missiles-bombs
https://afsc.org/video/five-things-you-should-know-about-us-weapons-transfers-israel
Not only does the United States supply Israel with weaponry, it also provides them with literally billions of dollars for military spending, which it’s able to spend in its own military industry. It’s pretty fucked up.
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Pretty sure that quit being true round 1985. At this point, even with no military aid, it’s a “real country” and ending it would be expensive in every sense of the word for all trying.
https://theintercept.com/2024/02/17/joe-biden-rafah-israel-gaza-bombs/
A recent U.S. intelligence estimate indicated that Israel’s current weapons stockpiles only enables it to wage war against Gaza for an additional 19 weeks, unless Washington sends more ammunition.
196 other countries and no where to buy ammunition? Kay.
Russia aiding Israel would probably place it in opposition to Iran. This might actually be a good time to move support from israel to ukraine and just see what happens.
Countries don’t have friends, they have interests. If Iran has to choose between Russia and Palestine that’s not good for Palestine.
Wonder what would happen if they went full crazy and shot the planes dropping supplies. they’re helping hamas so we shot them down
USS Liberty says not much would happen.
I would say the us would make a lot happen if Israel shot down one of our planes.
But you have a point, this is a little different though.
There is no way to claim they didn’t know this time
Yeah, the US public is much more aware now than they were in 1967.
I think Israel is batshit insane enough right now that we might get to find out!
The IDF: We’re protecting the Palestinians since Hamas is in the air drops!
Yup…Israel said Hamas was flying the supply planes from the US. They were right when they said that it was actually Hamas that blew up every single hospital in Gaza, so I have no reason to doubt them. (/s, for the fucking jamokes would believe this, or any bullshit Israel spews, to be true)
You might need a /s there. I actually see users here that believe and spread that bullshit.
I thought about it, but then I decided to embellish what I had initially written until I felt it was sufficiently absurd.
The problem with that is that there are so many crazies and shills on the internet, some people will take you seriously.
Absolutely nothing
Every service member is entitled to defend themselves. Some do it by launching flares. Others do it by firing anti radiation missiles at any missile system doing enough to target them.
But honestly, the Israelis aren’t going to do that. They aren’t cartoon villains. They are smart and know exactly what they want and how to get there.
But honestly, the Israelis aren’t going to do that. They aren’t cartoon villains. They are smart and know exactly what they want and how to get there.
Yeah cartoon villains usually don’t commit genocide, and see the thing here is that Israel has no fucking clue how to get where they want to go and they are blindly engaging in mass violence that will ensure Israel will be unsafe for decades to come (can you imagine how badly you would want to hurt the people who murdered your entire family for no reason?).
You can be veryyyyy smart and still be a fascist at the same time unfortunately.
You assume they want safety. Netanyahu and group want power.
Airdropping aid to get around a blockade imposed by the Israel…who depends on our military aid to genocide the Palestinians. This is the height of absurdity
eh. They don’t depend on that anymore.
Sure, they still accept it though.
Of course. Still doesn’t make the previous statement true.
They sure as hell depend on it.
See that carrier in the Mediterranean? Park that bitch right off the coast of Gaza and start shipping food and aid straight in, what the fuck is Israel going to do about it
Bring in some USMC LCACs drive it right on up the beach.
And fucking dare Israel to.
Dare them to do what, the US supports them. The US isn’t staring anyone down here, they’re watching a genocide and selling the gas for the chambers.
Absolute fantasy that they’re some saviours here, they enabled this and are getting enough push back to make the barest effort to appease critic in an election year.
That would change overnight if we had personel getting pasted by IDF while dropping off supplies.
One of the big differences between now and USS Liberty is by how much coverage these things get. It would be hard to keep it out of the media.
Besides which, LCACs have been used before in exactly this role. (They’re hovercraft designed to drop off tanks in a beach. IIRC, they were used in Africa?)
That would change overnight if we had personel getting pasted by IDF while dropping off supplies.
We had citizens in the war zone for a month until Egypt made a corridor. NPR was talking directly to them as they begged the US government to help them get out.
The US isn’t going to stare down the IDF at all
Well… no.
But we should. Or at least, something… I dunno.
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It’s not like the US would retaliate.
Like when This happened and we did nothing
The uss liberty incident didn’t have the real time eyes that the public has in Gaza.
They won’t put troops on the ground because they don’t trust IDF to not fuck that up, but if they did…
there is zero way that it’d be as contained as the Liberty was (we’re all gonna know about it roughly five minutes after it happened,) and no way that Biden won’t be forced to respond- aggressively- when everystarts blasting videos of IDF missiles hitting American marines/sailors/soldiers/airforce.
I’ve said since the beginning that they should put one us soldier on each truck and roll on.
The fuckers are stupid, but not that stupid
Not a bad idea, but you’d be relying on the IDF and Hamas not to fuck it up. The odds of a fuck-up increases exponentially with every idiot you add to a situation.
We can call up almost a third of Israel’s total population into active military service with minimal problems.
No recruiting drives, no drafts, that is just in our already active and reserves.
We probably have more special services members who cut their teeth on war in the desert and urban areas than Hamas had at their full strength in ordinary soldiers.
We have spy satellites that can practically, and in all likelihood actually can, read the text off pages.
We got so good at making super bombs that we got bored and said “Hold my Beer” and then stuck some fucking swords on a missile just to show off.
The US Military is basically the real life version of r/HFY.
It would take a special kind of stupid to start some shit when we are handing out food and trying to appease both sides of the political spectrum, and just give the US a legit reason to fuck around for Real Real in the Middle East again.
Are you kidding me? The IDF is committing a genocide that will ensure Israelis are unsafe for decades to come, they literally could not be acting in a more stupid fashion.
They absolutely are that stupid.
Also I find it hilarious y’all think that conservatives in the US would actually genuinely care if someone they had decided was an ally (Netanyahu) killed US servicemen. Conservatives don’t actually give a flying fuck about the lives of US soldiers like they don’t actually give a fuck about the lives of US children.
Conservatives would absolutely sit there and take it if Netanyahu killed US soldiers. Maybe the left would immediately push for military action but it would be fighting against a bunch of spineless cowards because Netanyahu would just blame it on Biden and Conservatives would 10000000% run with that narrative no matter what the reality was.
Good, would have been better a month or two ago, but good.
It makes sense to play both sides of the field. That way, you always come out on top. Supply the weapons to mangle brown children, then send them the aid they need afterward, GeNiUs.
Gotta keep em alive so the IDF soldiers can shoot them, can’t waste good target practice!
Just to put into perspective it’s something like 2 trucks worth at this point for 2 million people. This is a drop in the ocean. We should be sending 2 trucks a minute.
Refreshing to read the comments here from reasonable people against the shocking genocide, nice change from the bloodthirsty savages on worldnews.
Seriously, wtf is up with that subreddit. I got banned for saying maybe it’s not ok to shoot people in hospitals.
That subreddit is a clear psyop.
I was banned FROM REDDIT for reporting calls to violence in that sub.
They said I was abusing the report function.
I had 5 reports total, 3 of which were acted on, 2 reports of content that passed review.
I see we have a hamas supporter over here…
Reported for being a nazi zionist, enjoy your ban
I got banned for replying to a 20 comment chain with a link to a picture of Imran Khan using a handgun lmao.
Was this lemmy or reddit?
reddit for sure
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So the World’s super power can’t even send food aid through borders.
The US hasn’t given Israel enough money to unlock that feature.
It’s also an active war zone with RPGs, small arms, IEDs and all the fun and benefits of also being an Amazon driver. Anyone who signs up for that also might become a collateral target of Hamas/IDF/Islamic Jihad. Airdropping is marginally safer for people delivering aid. The whole situation is fucked.
Marginally??? If someone even accidentally shoots down a US aircraft they will be regretting the decision for a long time. It would immediately turn US public opinion against them.
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Sending anything in on the ground creates a risky situation that could quickly escalate. The US is not going to do that without careful coordination with Israel.
Will Biden have American bombs delivered together with the food or will they as usual use Israel to deliver them separatelly?!
Wasn’t that in the Hunger Games where they dropped explosive toys on children? Something like that, maybe
More fixed targets for the Israelis.
If Biden can’t even force aid through Egypt’s border I can’t imagine Trump being any more of a lap dog for israel.
Then you haven’t tried very hard.
Nobody can force aid through Israel’s blockade. a) that’s why it’s a blockade, b) that’s why there are airdrops.
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It would be simpler to demand that the Israelis end the blockade, maybe condition the bombs they drop on Palestinians with letting aid trucks in. Have your cake and eat it too. Still more humane than this.
Sorry, but that’s too simplistic. Israel’s support is too engrained in the politics of the US and other countries, and they could easily throw monkey wrenches in all directions. It makes the situation worse, not better. Netanyahu has to removed, but as it is now he has to be worked through, and that’s what’s slowing everything down.
True, the evil empire must go. As long as the US exists it will continue to unconditionally enable Israeli violence against the Palestinians.
That’s not what I’m saying - Arabic nations still need to attend to their own home-grown evils before they can attempt to label other empires as such. You seem set on a particular mindset, and I’m not going to waste any more time with people twisting my words for their own agenda.
they will airdrop it at the sea and any Palestinians who want to get it will get shot from IOF ships.
My brain is finally starting to fully develop at 32…I don’t understand this shit. What’s the point? Genuinely I want a reason for both sides in the matter. What’s the single sentence argument for both sides. No inflamitory talking points.
Without going too far into history, one side is tired of living in an open air prison and the other side is tired of terrorist attacks. It’s a self reinforcing conflict because neither side can win. Israel can’t bomb an idea and Hamas can’t terrorize an F-35 joint strike fighter.
Thank you for the response without chastising. My assertions were correct that Israel are essentially recreating operation Iraqi freedom with carte blanche? I get that it’s not your responsibility to educate me in this matter. I just have no clue what the fuck to believe based on vague internet opinions.
They are recreating Nazi Germany and Fall Weiss. They want to take over the entirety of Palestine to genocide the people within. They are talking about relocations, they are targetting civillians on purpose.
Hamas has anti aircraft, but hopefully they won’t try anything.
There are zero reasons why Hamas would prevent food and aid being delivered to the people they are fighting for. Might want to lighten up on the amount of BS propaganda you’re consuming.
Might want to lighten up on the amount of BS propaganda you’re consuming.
You misspelled promoting.
Iran and the Hamas leadership have never had the Gazan civilian’s best interest at heart; they’ve just used Israel and the fight against occupation as an excuse to maintain power and expand their influence.
Israel is conducting this genocide, but Israel never would have had an excuse to enter the Gaza strip without the attack on October 7th. Hamas had to have known their attack wouldn’t accomplish anything and would illicit a strong and disproportionate response from Israel. Now the citizens of Gaza are paying the price while the Hamas leadership fucks off to chill in Qatar.
Hamas wouldn’t shoot the food aid down though. That’s just a stupid waste of ammo. If anything they’d seize it for themselves instead.
My propaganda comes from people in Gaza, not Tick Tock.
Do the people in Gaza believe that there is a threat of Hamas destroying/seizing humanitarian aid? No! If anyone is going to stop it or destroy it it’s going to be Israel. The nation that won’t allow “include anesthetics and anesthesia machines, oxygen cylinders, ventilators and water filtration systems.”
It’s worth the read.
Hamas steals aid. https://youtu.be/NBjvYkNzuAA?feature=shared
Okay, and? Are you saying that’s reason for any and all aid deliveries to stop?
a threat of Hamas destroying/seizing humanitarian aid? No!
I believe he was answering this. Are we not allowed to say Hamas is bad?
Didn’t you hear?
They are actually freedom fighters and are noble! /s
Let’s just ignore how they are a misogynistic, homophobic, anti-trans, fascist, far-right extremist group.
Sure. How does that add to the topic at hand?
What’s happening to Palestinians is terrible. It’s genocide.
Hamas is not fighting FOR them. It’s fighting NEAR them.
Yeah they have a charter and a slogan, but they are terrorists working for Iran.
Again, Israel bad, America bad. Hamas bad. Palestine good.
That’s not the point. Why would Hamas shoot down planes trying to deliver food to their own people?
Yes, Hamas bad. But shooting down planes trying to help your people is not just bad, it’s stupid.
Israel on the other hand will likely be bombing and sniping the landing zones, because they want the Gazans to starve.
I didn’t address that at all in my comment.
Having said that, yes, i agree that they would not shoot down aid planes.
I still contest the concept of it being “their people”. They are terrorist manipulators using a human shield to further Iranian state goals.
To keep things clean: none of that justifies or excuses Israels actions
That would be almost as stupid as attacking a country with an extreme rightwing government run by people who are looking for an excuse to use their incredibly powerful military to seize your land. A government run by a corrupt politician that would love to have a war that lasts as long as possible so they cling to power.
Hamas probably wouldn’t shoot down food aid planes, but they’re certainly stupid enough to try.
? why would they shoot down aid going into gaza
Northern Gaza is hard to reach. In recent weeks there was talk about dropping food aid. Then Hamas took pictures of themselves with their anti aircraft man pads and missles. That made private air drops impossible, as civilian flyers don’t even have counter measures for that. King Abdullah of Jordan and world kitchen then gave it a shot, and there was no AA. Now the US Airforce will give it a try. They have to fly low on these drops, so look out below.
Now you can downvote this truth I don’t really care. Says more about you than me.
I downvoted you just because you said something about downvotes.
Either commit or don’t.
They are meaningless internet points
Which is another reason I don’t care.
So does Israel, and I’d be even less sure that they won’t try something.
Preemptivelly setting up the excuse for when Israel shoots down the planes, I see…
Hamas’ rockets are glorified fireworks. They have no targeting system to hit moving aircraft, all of the calculations are done by hand.
SAM-7, Soviet-era Strela-2 IR launchers maybe old stuff, but they can still shoot you out of the sky, particularly at loòw altitude.
Keyboard leaking
That’s not what Hamas uses. Their rockets are hand made.
I read that outline of weapons from a fellow from Gaza.
I imagine there are a lot of homeless people in the US that would appreciate that air drop
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Honestly for me…both. I know what I am capable of as a human. I know what I am capable of with a team. I know what I am capable of with a community. I know what I am capable of with a state. I know what I am capable of with a nation. The answer is both. And it’s the only correct answer to your question.
Your comment missed the point of what the person you’re replying to is try to say.
That person wasn’t saying anything of substance, they were being flippant. It’s crazy how defensive people get. We can easily feed both groups of people, but we choose not to. That’s the truth.
I get down voted for saying what American foreign policy is lol. It’s already a done deal.
North America has the capability to get their fingers in every single international affair but doesn’t give a flying fuck about their own people and it infuriates me
It’s great that we are air dropping for gazans but we have the capability to stop Israel but we don’t, this is just virtue signalling imo
Everyone this argument is successful the homeless people get nothing.
So basically, it’ll light up targets for the IAF to drop their US made guided munitions on.
