The share of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents who believe that President Joe Biden’s 2020 election win was not legitimate has ticked back up, according to a new CNN poll fielded throughout July. All told, 69% of Republicans and Republican-leaners say Biden’s win was not legitimate, up from 63% earlier this year and through last fall, even as there is no evidence of election fraud that would have altered the outcome of the contest.
Yeah I’m telling you. There is an older crowd that it doesn’t matter what you say to them, they run on hate and they’ve been given a lot of fuel.
It’s really just insane many Republicans believe this lie still. Even if Trump goes to jail there will still be many Republicans thinking this
I wonder how many votes the republicans have cost themselves by tying their cart to this dead horse (trump)
Troll farms wouldn’t be a thing if they weren’t effective. Social media has poisoned a lot of minds. I am in my mid-40s and grew up in NE Texas which is part of the “Deep South” (assign to that what you will) and in my lifetime I’ve seen things that would just not be possible if it were not for the internet.
“Back in my day…” Reading the newspaper was more than sufficient. There were no (edit: few and/or less easily manifest beyond a ‘google search’) collective hive minds and echo chambers so you had to actually express and own an opinion. I was taught that “this is what Science tells us how God put into motion the universe” We didn’t need concealed or open carry to feel safe.
I’m not really that old. I honestly think most of this crap is 9/11. The terrorists actually won. Fear. There is a culture of fear pervading the USA and international troll farms took root and we continue to deal with the fallout today. Not to get too deep into the weeds … dwindling middle class but … who gives a shit … capitalism. When you can’t provide for your family on a base wage … shit is going to go sideways.
Giving a voice to everyone via the internet may have looked good on paper but in reality it has shown that too many people shouldn’t have a voice.
Fear isn’t new though. Everyone thought everyone else was a Soviet spy or secretly a communist in the 50s.
I wouldn’t say it’s necessarily that too many people shouldn’t have a voice. Just that too many of the people who shouldn’t have much of a voice or any at all are the ones who really want to have one, often times.
The squeaky wheel effect.
For Millennial’s it’s wild to have had our parents tell us “TV will rot your brain” and “don’t just trust anything you see online” to them now where cable news has turned their brains to goo and anything posted by some guy in a truck wearing sun glasses on Facebook Reels must be reality.
Lesson learned always block your parents router of alt right content and TV ahead of time including on the Roku
Sounds like censorship to me
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One side are boomers who think they know everything but can’t tell a record from a CD…
I think we will be fine when it happens
We need a version of r/liberalgunowners on Lemmy. I legit miss them alongside r/Polandball
Polandball didn’t even protest during the two blackout days :(
Bring it on i say. We’re armed too. The tree of liberty is thirsty.
If your “we” is Democrats, then you may want to think twice before running head long into battle. Gun ownership among Republicans outnumbers Democrats more than two to one. That figure is per person and not a gun count per household, which is much higher with 2/3 of the gun-owning population owning more than one gun.
The only way you’ll win is by persuading the swing vote as Independent gun ownership is almost as high as the Republicans. But you probably won’t get all the Independents because a lot of them are right-leaning.
All that is to say that while I don’t expect us to ever get in a combative civil war, and I hope we don’t, I also think it’s in everyone’s best interests if no one is thirsty for one either.
Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/06/22/the-demographics-of-gun-ownership/
If I were considering the most important factors for CW2 it’d be:
- intelligence
- cardiovascular fitness
- gun ownership
yes a civil war between diet nazis too cowardly or feeble to serve in the military vs people who want gun control. should be an interesting fight where no matter who wins, America loses.
I’m not convinced the North ever won. It’s just been a long ceasefire.
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Their logic: My guy loses, “the election was rigged!”, my guy wins, “power to the people!”
I don’t know if that’s really a thought process separated by party lines.
Ehhh, in 2016 there was a lot of talk about election interference (which was corroborated by most, if not all, intelligence agencies) but not much about the election being illegitimate. It’s a subtle but very important distinction.
It’s the difference between saying “the refs weren’t calling it our way at all” and “the refs conspired against us!”
What was Robert mueller investigating?
Election interference, collusion with Russia and subsequent obstruction of justice.
You can believe trump should have been impeached for those crimes but again, that’s very different from saying the election itself was illegitimate. At no point in that investigation did Mueller (or, as far as I know any Democrat) argue that the votes were manipulated or altered once cast.
When Nixon was basically impeached (he resigned before that could happen as back then Republicans had integrity and would put party over country) it did not mean that the election itself was illegitimate.
You’ll note that neither of those articles has anyone saying the election was illegitimate.
In fact, the second one goes out of the way to say thay despite her disagreement with the call (Supreme court halting recounts strictly along party lines) the comms chief still respected the outcome, which is precisely the opposite of what trump did.
Hillary Clinton dismissed President Trump as an “illegitimate president” and suggested that “he knows” that he stole the 2016 presidential election in a CBS News interview to be aired Sunday.
“Ah spoke to everybody at mah church and they all voted Trump! This must be rigged!”
I finally found that hot garbage dumpster fire smell I was so familiar with on Reddit. Just had to randomly bump into a post about politics.
Y’know, I downvoted you at first then I read further down the thread and took my downvote back.
Yeah, I probably should have specified the comments section.
I don’t mind the politics post, but the quality of the comments. That’s were the real smell comes from
That’s because Repuglicans are self selecting. People need to stop seeing them as half of the population. They are not.
what’s croc of shit. Trump was surrounded by Russian stooges who were convicted in court of law.
Republicans are brainwashed reality deniers. GOP/Trump/Russia keeps them insulated from learning.
Fringe republicans, they’ve probably lost the sensible ones to independent voters
The rational Republicans left the party ages ago. Pretty sure George Will closed the door behind him on the way out.
When was that? 2016?
Don’t forget to check out https://hereistheevidence.com/ which has a nice collection of dodgy things that happened for the election that was all but confirmed by Time here: https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/ that there was work going on in the background to “fortify” the result that they wanted.
And this is apparently the saviors of democracy.
Don’t forget the 60 court cases that Trump lost trying to prove his election bullshit. That’s where the real evidence is, son.
They were dismissed, Didn’t even look at the evidence just like I assume you haven’t either.
Like the many many attempts of jailing Trump using no evidence the courts are just dodgy af.
Trump lost the popular vote by 7 million votes because he is a worthless, lying, self absorbed, hypocritical, traitorous, piece of shit.
That’s also why corporate America turned on him. Because they could see him beginning his treasonous campaign to discredit our elections… You realize that is what the article says, right?
Yeah I’m sure the 4 years of “muh Russia” and how they got hacked didn’t do that
But we forget it when the “good guys” do it right?
I haven’t forgotten anything. You’re just wrong.
Must be. You’re told ok the daily you’re the good guys
It’s scary when there’s an entire echochamber yelling nonsense at the top of their lungs. How is America supposed to recover with this incessant Fox News and even worse OAN propaganda?
The obvious solution is to outlaw intentionally lying in the guise of a news show. Make FOX etc., have to broadcast a banner that says, “THIS IS NOT FACTUAL NEWS THIS IS FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY,” as they have argued in court.
In addition to this, retractions and corrections need to be more prominent. No more screaming falsehoods for hours and days and then quietly issuing a retraction as a scroll during the low viewership time block.
Fox would own the fuck out of that.
The left makes us put this banner on here! We know you’re smart people that can make your own choices about what is and is not “entertainment”! Now, for something I don’t find at all entertaining, Biden once again oversteps his authority and …
The left makes us put this banner on here!
That argument might make sense if it wasn’t Fox themselves arguing in court that they aren’t presenting news and can therefore lie without consequence because shows like Tucker Carlson are entertainment.
I understand completely that it makes no sense that their viewers are this stupid, but it also doesn’t change the fact that they are.
Propaganda works on stupid people. There’s a whole lotta stupid in this country.
How about we do something about the big propaganda networks and 24x7 “news” channels that are more interested in ratings and entertainment than simply reporting. No more talking heads.
Does anybody else hope (emphasis on hope lol) they’re just saying this out of spite? Perhaps they know he lost, and are just saying this because they know it will “piss off the libs?”
Maybe it’s naive, but while I am pretty liberal a-lot of my family is (unfortunately) republican and they all admit Trump lost, fair and square. They also say they’re sick of him, wish he would drop out of the race, and allow another, younger republican to be nominated. They’ve also not been contacted by any of these pollsters.
Admittedly, this is just my experience with a very narrow slice of republicans; outside my family, I don’t really interact with too many.
Thoughts? Am I just fortunate to not have to interact with the Trump cult on a daily basis? Or is the US just screwed? lol
It’s to galvanize part of their base. “The last one was stolen from us, don’t let it happen again.”
This, I think, is pretty true. But still, its incredibly foolish. They could not control Trump the first time, why on earth do they think they could control him the second time?
Unless they are banking on him being locked up with the key being tossed, and using that to galvanize the base around a candidate they can better control? Either way though, peddling these types of lies is just so, so dangerous. They are more-or-less setting up a large chunk of the nation to believe that the democrats are stealing the election and going to install a communist dictatorship (lol) and the only way to “save the country” is to violently take it back.
And if Trump actually does win again? Well, then the other half the country is correctly convinced their has been a criminal takeover of the nation’s executive branch. How does that end? What even happens if Trump is convicted after taking office?
I wish more republicans would understand that supporting Trump is going to seriously weaken the US and create instability. Even if the democrats were “unfairly targeting him” (to be clear, I believe he is guilty) there is just no way he can unify the country and make it stronger. Half the country will hate his guts, and that alone should disqualify him.
