Rebecca Joynes allegedly became pregnant after having sex with one of her victims, known as boy B, Manchester Crown Court heard - she denies the allegations against her.

Rebecca Joynes allegedly became pregnant after having sex with one of her victims, known as boy B, Manchester Crown Court heard - she denies the allegations against her.

Rebecca Joynes denies having sex with the two boys but admitted, in Manchester Crown Court, to having broken safeguarding rules by being in contact with them on Snapchat and having them back to her apartment in Salford Quays.

The 30-year-old was already suspended from her job and on bail for alleged sexual activity with boy A, 15, when she allegedly took the virginity of a second boy, known as boy B, 16, who she later became pregnant by.

Joynes denies that any sexual activity took place with boy A - whose semen was recovered from her bedsheets.

  • Cralder@lemmy.worldEnglish
    256·
    2 年前

    Notice how it says “having sex with” instead of “raping” because she is a woman.

    • Aurenkin@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      68·
      2 年前

      Yeah as fucked up as it is men cannot be raped by women according to the definition under UK law. That’s what I read anyway someone please correct me though because I would love to be wrong here.

      • barsoap@lemm.eeEnglish
        7·
        2 年前

        German law is curious (and well-written) in that regard. “rape” is something an offence may be called but it’s not a category of offence in itself. There’s one single section covering sexual assault in various aggravation stages:

        StGB, Section 177:

        (1) Whoever, against a person’s discernible will, performs sexual acts on that person or has that person perform sexual acts on them, or causes that person to perform or acquiesce to sexual acts being performed on or by a third person incurs a penalty of imprisonment for a term of between six months and five years.
        […]

        (6) In especially serious cases, the penalty is imprisonment for a term of at least two years. An especially serious case typically occurs where

        1. the offender has sexual intercourse with the victim or has the victim have sexual intercourse or commits such similar sexual acts on the victim or has the victim commit them on them which are particularly degrading for the victim, especially if they involve penetration of the body (rape), or
        2. the offence is committed jointly by more than one person.

        Note the “at least two years” doesn’t inherit the “up to five years” of the previous section and there’s even higher minimums for carrying weapons, risk of damage to health, etc.

        Only acts involving penetration are considered rape but it doesn’t say by who or what, and even if the e.g. forced face-sitting didn’t involve penetration it’s still going to be on the same aggravation level.

        OTOH under German law what she did probably doesn’t even begin to be rape it’s sexual abuse of persons in one’s charge.

    • JoBo@feddit.ukEnglish
      8·
      2 年前

      Statutory rape does not exist as an offence in English law. The offence is sexual contact with a minor.

      The age of consent is 16 but 18 if the older party is in a position of responsibility (like a teacher). So whether or not she had unlawful sexual contact with the second boy would depend on how that law was interpreted, as well as when the first contact took place.

      • idiomaddict@feddit.deEnglish
        15·
        2 年前

        Joynes denies six counts of engaging in sexual activity with a child, including two while being a person in a position of trust.

        The defendant, pleading innocence, said that. The case is about sexual activity with children.

        • Syn_Attck@lemmy.todayEnglish
          3·
          2 年前

          Hitman denies being hitman and you believe him, that’s your angle? I know you’re being intentionally obtuse, but it’s clear I was talking about the teenagers, not the woman trying not to be arrested.

          • GregorGizeh@lemmy.zipEnglish
            21·
            2 年前

            She is an authority to them, they are obviously not adults, she invited them to her home, and there is little doubt she had sex with both because one evidently came at least on her bed and the other inside her.

            This is sexual abuse. If the sexes were reversed the guy would be scheduled for a life sentence with high probablility of getting shanked every time he encounters another prisoner.

          • idiomaddict@feddit.deEnglish
            7·
            2 年前

            Ohh! It’s just your reading comprehension, not that you’re really suggesting that it’s cool for a teacher to fuck their fifteen year old students and former students. If you care about what the children said, there’s this from the older one:

            Boy B claims he tried to end the relationship but did not know how to, called her a “paedo” and told her to find someone her own age but claimed emotional pressure came from Joynes to keep their relationship going.

  • huginn@feddit.itEnglish
    81·
    2 年前

    Pedophile upset that raping children got her cut off from easy access to a pool of children to rape.

  • SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    59·
    2 年前

    (…) boy B rowed and could not decide on whether to keep the baby or have an abortion.

    Boy B claims he tried to end the relationship but did not know how to, called her a “paedo” and told her to find someone her own age but claimed emotional pressure came from Joynes to keep their relationship going.

    Just in case someone is uneducated enough to not to understand why grooming is bad, this is what it leads to.

    • Chozo@fedia.io
      25·
      2 年前

      That’s because the victims are children, and there are limitations to what you can publish about children in cases like this.

      • gregorum@lemm.eeBanned from communityEnglish
        32·
        2 年前

        She can express empathy for the victims as well as shame and remorse, without naming them specifically. Apparently, she only regrets the consequences that she, herself, is suffering.

        The responsibility to keep the victims’ names obfuscated is that of the publisher(s)/media, not her, and could easily be edited from any statement she made containing them.

        • Chozo@fedia.io
          18·
          2 年前

          Ah, I thought you were referring to the reporting of the article instead of her testimony, my bad.

          • gregorum@lemm.eeBanned from communityEnglish
            18·
            2 年前

            Oh, my, no. The identities of the victims should certainly be protected. I was just commenting that the teacher appears to have no concern for the impact of her actions upon her victims, only that of the consequences upon herself.

              • gregorum@lemm.eeBanned from communityEnglish
                4·
                2 年前

                It’s revelatory of her grasp (or lack thereof) of the power dynamic which exists in these situations, and how she doesn’t understand the imbalance— and the impact/consequences on the victims. There’s an element of both narcissism and general sociopathy involved in some types of pederasty and pedophelia.

                But there’s a lot that’s unknown about the disorder, and it’s also a field that carries tremendous taboo fin mental health (those who try to treat it and/or research it rather than simply punish it severely meet massive resistance, professional blacklisting, etc.), so learning about it - and how to treat it - progresses slowly. Which is a bad thing, for everyone because ignoring the problem won’t make it vanish. The public just wants to pillory and execute pedophiles, butt that doesn’t help with things like treatment and prevention.

                If we want to stop pedophiles - or, better, identify them before they act so they can be treated and victims can never be created - we need to know more than we do now.

  • Kekzkrieger@feddit.deEnglish
    40·
    2 年前

    Rape is not a stupid mistake. It’s an intentional action that is immoral and illegal and should be punished as such.

    • Rakonat@lemmy.worldEnglish
      20·
      2 年前

      She raped a child and emotionally manipulated them into continuing it after the child attempted to end it. Not nice. Not even close.

      • akakunai@lemmy.caEnglish
        33·
        2 年前

        You need context from the show to get this meme. This episode is a satire on how women who molest minors are treated differently and how some people are inclined to congratulate the molested instead of seeing them as victims.

        It’s not nice, and we need to view the attitude of situations like this being “nice” as messed up. Hence the meme.

      • Dasus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        13·
        2 年前

        Like the others said, it’s actually a gif from an episode in which this specific double-standard is addressed… through satirical comedy.

        The gif is perfect for this post.

  • katy ✨@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    13·
    2 年前

    terfs will claim she technically didn’t sexually assault anyone here.

    also jk rowling will not mention this

  • Syn_Attck@lemmy.todayEnglish
    11·
    2 年前

    Boy A and Boy B are now the most popular kids in school.

    Kid was 2 years older? Totally legal and the top category on every porn site.

    • SmoothOperator@lemmy.worldBannedEnglish
      13·
      2 年前

      The point of having an age of consent (in this case 16 in the UK) is not popularity, and not just parental awareness or protection from people in positions of power.

      It’s a decision by society that kids below this age are incapable of grasping the full consequences of their consent.

      Of course the limit is going to be somewhat arbitrary, and you can definitely argue that age of consent laws are bad without being a creep, but you’d have to argue that a 15 year old understands the ramifications of consent.

      • selokichtli@lemmy.mlEnglish
        4·
        2 年前

        It’s unfair to have a discussion calling names by default. For me, even 18 is not enough to understand the ramifications of consent, but it’s too hard to keep 18 year-olds from having as much sex as they desire (some of them do desire a lot). If you start calling me a prude for this, what should I call you from my POV?

        • SmoothOperator@lemmy.worldBannedEnglish
          5·
          2 年前

          Not sure I understand, who is being called names?

          And sure, laws like these are always a compromise, with no objectively true answer.

          • 3ntranced@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            2 年前

            This is why there’s so much controversy when these cases happen, it’s all down to situation and the persons involved.

            15 years old is a freshman in high school. My friends and I had discussed numerous times what hot teachers you’d nail if you had the chance. Sure most of us hadn’t gotten further than 2nd base with a girl, but we were absolutely aware of the ramifications of consent and would absolutely take the opportunity if it ever presented itself.

    • TheHarpyEagle@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      2 年前

      Sexual assault can happen to men and boys. Sure, some of them may be “fine” with what happened, but this mentality makes it incredibly difficult for male victims of sexual assault to come forward and get help when they need it. The damage isn’t always apparent right away, either.