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    He had complete control of Congress for 2 years, and could have given us universal healthcare. Instead, he gave us the ACA and only made the existing system that much more complicated.

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      if republicans want 50 bucks they ask for 100 so they can negotiate down to 70 at most.

      if obama wants 50 bucks he asks for 20 in hopes it’ll make republicans more likely to accept, then lets republicans negotiate it down to 5.

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      The right actively worked against him from day 1. The death of Senator Ted Kennedy and Independent Senator Lieberman really hampered his efforts for a single payer option.

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      I don’t remember the exact details, but the dems only had effective control of congress for something like 10 days, due to technicalities.

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    I love it when western leaders preach about democracy while raining down fire on people across the world.

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      They aren’t mutually exclusive. Democracy just means that (in theory/principle) everyone gets a say in whose wedding on the other side of the world gets bombed.

      Democracy isn’t inherently peaceful. No governing system is.

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      Wait, aren’t those mutually exclusive? You can have a democracy at home and still do all those things abroad.

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            Because overthrowing democracies and replacing them with dictatorships is not exactly in line with their rhetoric? Because it’s hard to vote in elections when you’ve been killed in a drone strike?

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              I’m still not convinced. Just because you hold yourself to a certain standard for your population doesn’t mean you can’t behave differently with other people. I don’t know of a system of government that requires that kind of ethical consistency but someone else probably does. But my point is that democracy doesn’t seem to be one of those.

              I do get you, though, it’s beyond shitty, and looks like a bunch of self-serving hypocrites. I simply don’t believe it’s a requirement.

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                I’m not claiming that democracies have some literal obligation to support or promote democracy elsewhere, just that it is, like you said, hypocritical when to claim to support the tenants and ideals of democracy while actively suppressing it elsewhere

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              That wouldn’t be in line with “spreading” democracy, but could still easily be part of a democratic country lashing out.

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      Even the most perfect Democracy will only ever represent the wishes of the voters in that country and never those of people who don’t have a right to vote there.

      Democracy is only less war prone than dictatorships for those situations were there would be large losses, because lots of soldiers coming back home in cofins doesn’t go down well with voters.

      For situations were there is a huge power imbalance Democracies can be just as war-mongering as the rest, which is why you see lots of military interventions of the US against small countries or countries with ill-trained armies and equipment two generations behind or even, as very heavilly done by the very gentleman quoted in this meme, remote bombing of people in other countries who have no chance whatsoever to retaliate: Obama had no problem whatsoever with remote murdering of people in far away lands because there was no significant path for that to harm him politically (and there wouldn’t be even if the US was a proper Democracy rather than the Theatre of Democracy it actually is).

      The hypocrisy is how some leaders (most noteable Americans, but far from just them) pass Democracy as good for people in other countries - sure, them having their own Democracy there will probably be good for them, but you having a Democracy makes no difference to them as they don’t have a vote in your Democracy.

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    Imagine being such a fucking bootlicker, and probably financially privileged enough, that as a Black man, you consider America now, but also historically, “inclusive” in any way shape or form.

    Never mind having had the job to know that American democracy is a lie (but I guess lying to yourself about it to make you feel better).

    Makes me almost think it’s a fake, but then neoliberalism is a hell of a drug…

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      Have you been to other countries? The USA isnt great… but someplaces its literally gulag to be a minority, person of colour, or LGBTQ+

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        Have you been to other countries? The USA isnt great… but someplaces its literally gulag to be a minority, person of colour

        Have you been to any other countries?

        Because the only place I know of which is putting its people of colour in open-air prisons is Israel, which has the full support of the USA.

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    Maybe he shoulda experimented with clubbing McConnell with a baseball bat instead of rolling over when McConnell defied the Constitution during his SCOTUS pick.

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      Started by those people doesn’t mean we act like they did…even a broken clock is right twice a day.

      Don’t drown baby in the bathwater before you shower; or whatever the phrase is.

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    When you’re doing an experiment you set up the conditions and then observe the results. If you need to constantly involve yourself then you’re running a bad experiment. “Experiment” is a terrible way to describe democracy.

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    You’re right, Obama. I’ll load my AR and start teaching some chemistry. But, rest assured, I’ll never match your kill count.