Why capitalists are coming out against democracy - “Does classical liberalism imply democracy?”

https://www.ellerman.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Reprint-EGP-Classical-Liberalism-Democracy.pdf

“There is a fault line running through … liberalism as to whether or not democratic self- governance is a necessary part of a liberal social order. The democratic and non-democratic strains of classical liberalism are both present today. Many … libertarians … represent the non-democratic strain in their promotion of non-democratic sovereign city-states.”

@sneerclub

  • V0ldek
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    Arguable whether a “capitalist class” existed in classical times.

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      We’re not talking about classical times at all. We’re talking about the Age of Enlightenment and a little after. But as for those classical liberals at that proper time? They’re some of the first real capitalists.

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        TIL “classical liberalism” has absolutely nothing to do with the “classical” part, great, who the fuck decided to name it that?

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          Oh no it’s just when you say classical time period that means something different than the word classical in different contexts. Classical music isn’t referring to the Greeks and Romans either.

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            and “classical music” was a retrospective label for reactionary purposes too

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              Kids these days with their newfangled romanticism and their fortepianos. No respect for the sonata form.

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              it’s almost as if we’ve culturally deluded ourselves away from seeing that nostalgia is a toxic impulse and clinging to the past is self-imprisonment*

              *in particular I thought it was cool to enjoy classic rock in high school because it was non-mainstream, not seeing the irony that I was just enjoying a mainstream from decades ago, making me even more mainstream

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          It’s “classical” in the sense that the columns on courthouses in Confederate states are, i.e., in ennobling an arbitrarily inequitable order.