Maddrey said the officers followed the man, each firing a Taser which proved ineffective in subduing the man. He then exited the train while it was still at the station and charged the officers with the knife, the chief said.
What, it’s not a good idea to do that now?
Last I’d heard the cops were still looking for the mystery knife. That said, being around police in general is bad for your health.
Nah, it’s definitely the police in the wrong here.
Yes, firing a gun in a crowded subway station is absolutely in the wrong, as we can see by the three innocent people shot, one in the head. There are police forces across the world trained to deal with assailants with deadly weapons including knives without shooting them. It’s reasonable to expect the NYPD to have the same level of training and judgement.
They tried to Taser the guy twice.
Just out of interest, what would you have done differently?
Honestly? The guy had a knife, which might have injured one of the cops, maybe. US police are far too afraid for their own safety, and automatically reach for their gun when they think there might be the slightest minor chance that they could be in a little bit of danger.
If being in dangerous situations makes you open fire in a crowd of random innocent people, then you should not be a cop. Cops need to learn to accept the risks they signed up for, de-escalate, and protect the public before they obsess over protecting themselves. I know protecting the public is not technically their job, but opening fire in a crowded subway is laughably irresponsible, and should be an immediate fireable offense.
The guy had a knife, which might have injured one of the cops, maybe. … they think there might be the slightest minor chance that they could be in a little bit of danger.
I don’t disagree with your overall sentiment that police need better de-escalation training and non-lethal defense weapons - but you need to seriously re-examine your perception of how dangerous a knife attack is. Please don’t trivialize it just to make a point, because it undermines your own credibility and weakens your otherwise reasonable argument.
That’s a fair point, I appreciate it. Knives are a dangerous weapon, no doubt about it. They just don’t represent the same level of danger as a loaded gun. But your point is well taken.
The guy had a knife, which might have injured one of the cops, maybe.
Where do people like you even come from?
Also, they tasered the guy twice before finally shooting him, so they didn’t “automatically reach for their guns”.
I come from an over-policed city, where I am genuinely afraid of every cop I see, because of stories just like this.
So you don’t think cops should be required to gauge the risk to the public before they gauge the risk to themselves? They chose a dangerous career, and seem unwilling to accept the risks that come along with it. A knife is less dangerous than a loaded gun, I don’t think that’s a controversial thing to say.
I’m not saying the police were perfect here, but someone attacking you with a knife isn’t something that “might” kill you, it’s an incredibly dangerous situation that presents an immediate danger to your life.
Honestly, some of the comments here are so detached from reality it’s incredible.
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I always have this link ready to go, because you would be totally reasonable in assuming it’s their main job, but our lovely Supreme Court says otherwise.
Edit: here’s a non-paywalled link
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It should be yes, but it’s not.
Use physical force?
Why is it all well and good for them to risk innocent peoples lives by firing a loaded weapon in a confined space?
Firefighters risk their lives everyday, cops cant even risk a fight.
Seriously? That’s your solution, a wrestling match with a knife weilding perp?
Yes?
Thats a standard police response in the first world.
Your solution is to murder innocent civilians.
They have tasers, which didn’t work. Then move to pepper spray to blind the person and batons to subdue them.
Other countries where guns are uncommon but knife attacks are more common they have long hooked poles to capture someone. That’s impractical to carry so wouldn’t have been available in this situation but it is a tool that can be used when called out to a knife threat.
The problem here is the response doesn’t match the crime (fare avoidance) and doesn’t match the threat either. If the only solution you have for littering is to blow up a city then its time to step back and rethink the problem.
Three innocent people injured, months of investigation, and millions in lawsuit settlements. This is a failure of the officers but also a failure in training them how to respond.
No, there aren’t “police forces across the world trained to deal with people with deadly weapons”. They are trained to save themselves first and foremost. Same as firemen aren’t trained to run into a burning building heroically grabbing the puppy / family member and carrying them out. Paramedics too. This is the reality - nobody is required to give their lives up / risk their lives to save someone else’s.
They weren’t necessarily in the right either. They wounded a couple of bystanders in the process.
They were about to be wounded themselves, by the sound of it.
Oh well better they shot someone innocent.
This is as reckless as cops getting into high speed pursuits. And the whole death could had been avoided if they didnt waste everyones time cracking down on a train fare.
It also could have been avoided if the nutter hadn’t pulled a knife on the police.
Right, maybe we should be holding law enforcement to a higher standard than mentally ill people?
porque no los dos?
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Cops are such fucking cowards. ACAB
According to the comments, the solution here is for the police to get in a wrestling match with the man running at them with a knife.
Very reasonable thing to expect.
He is some reading material on why people hate the NYPD so much. We don’t want wrestling matches but shooting someone in the head for $2 is just plan bad. Don’t worry there are a lot more examples if you like.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Amadou_Diallo
https://apnews.com/article/subway-shooting-stray-bullet-nypd-6dceddf47afc27db128ebba98f2076b5
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I’m from New Zealand, our police shoot people with knives occasionally. I’m not convinced this would have ended differently here, or any other country.
A knife is an incredibly dangerous weapon, and the alternative solutions being proposed here just aren’t realistic.
The man catcher poles thing was pretty funny though.
Do they also shoot anybody else in the vicinity, though?
We’ve never had a similar situation to compare to.
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Definitely there has to be a good reason for it.
If train stations stocked japanese man-catcher poles (sasumata) they could easily subdue a knife wielding suspect with zero risk to themselves and bystanders. No one is saying go toe to toe with a knife wielding person.
Ya, zero risk to everything once you get 7 or 8 police wielding them at the same time, per one violent person, in a crowded subway with potentially no walls to pin them down to, with the extreme possibility of someone just pulling a gun on you when you have both your hands occupied with a stick. Mancatchers work great on gifs and videos, but suck in the actual world. Especially when you get charged by a dude wielding a knife. You’ll 100% have the time to “break the glass in an emergency” and to deal with said person. Especially when the situation turns from “let’s run after this guy that skipped the fare” into “holy shit that’s a knife and I’m going to die”.
How is this any different from walking into a school and shooting a bunch of kids?
The first difference is schools are closed on Sundays…
That’s all I got
