“It is damning that here in California, where abortion care is a constitutional right, we have a hospital implementing a policy that’s reminiscent of heartbeat laws in extremist red states,” Attorney General Rob Bonta said.
A Catholic hospital in Northern California is facing a lawsuit by the state’s attorney general after it reportedly refused to perform an abortion on a woman whose pregnancy was not viable and whose life was in danger.
Anna Nusslock was already in severe crisis when she and her husband Daniel arrived last February at Providence St. Joseph Hospital in Eureka, according to the suit, which AG Rob Bonta filed Monday in Humboldt County Superior Court. A doctor examined Nusslock, who was 15 weeks pregnant with twins, and told her they would not survive, the suit explains.
Without a dilation and evacuation procedure, or, what is commonly known as “an abortion,” Nusslock was also at risk of death, the complaint contends.
However, it goes on, “Providence refused to allow Anna’s doctors to treat her, as the hospital’s policies prohibited them from terminating a pregnancy so long as they could detect fetal heart tones. The only exception was if the mother’s life was at immediate risk, a high threshold that Anna apparently did not yet reach. Only at some poorly defined point in the future, when Anna was close enough to death, would Providence permit her doctors to intervene. Until then, Anna and her physicians could do nothing but wait, worry, and hope.”
Religion kills more people than all other causes combined. Abolish religion.
I don’t actually think that’s even close to true.
If heart disease and cancer are god’s will, it counts. /s
I’m pretty sure they mean human-caused catastrophes. Although if we count meat consumption as a sort of quasi-religious behavior then maybe you’re right.
They are referring to the violence and wars committed over religion.
I’m aware, and I stand by what I said.
Estimates place death from all wars since recorded history at 1.1 billion. I’ll grant you a bone and say religion has been responsible for an additional 2 billion deaths through any other means throughout all of history.
Mosquito borne diseases are estimated to have killed 52 billion people throughout history.
Original comment said religion killed more than all other causes put together. That’s just simply not true.
Which is like 95% of all war. Mein Kampf mentions god literally dozens of times. No secular democracies have ever gone to war with each other, and virtually all autocratic regimes are religious.
Yeah, I have to agree it’s basically assuredly not true, even when accounting for:
- Wars, genocides, and individual people killed over religion.
- Suicides linked to religious abuse by institutions and by zealots.
- Religion stifling the advancement of medicine such as in the case of stem cell research.
- The brand of “god’s will” bullshit that leads to preventable deaths in lieu of treatment.
Undoubtedly religion is hugely harmful, and I’m its biggest detractor that I personally know, but we live in an era where heart disease and cancer exist. Even saying religion causes a plurality of deaths would be wrong; “more than all others combined” is bullshit on a level that I can’t believe it got so many upvotes.
We can say that religion results in a fuckload of unnecessary deaths without lying.
I’ve been thinking about this for a minute, and I think a good standard here is making a list of (relatively) non-overlapping causes of death that have claimed over a billion human lives.
Infectious disease is almost certainly at least one entry on this list, primarily secular war as well, starvation/famine probably a few times over, cancer and heart disease are probably distinct entries, and death attempting to grow/hunt food. I suspect deaths by religion could be on that list as well, but it’s the entry I’m least confident in.
In every sense of the word, this is a bad list to be on, but I don’t think religion is near the biggest culprit on the list, even if you do a lot of special pleading, and group all deaths by religious cause together, but split each disease, war, etc up for some reason.
id imagine its heart disease, and malaria
There’s SO many causes of heart disease, many of which are exacerbated and sometimes even caused by religion.
Besides, if you’re religious enough to be a creationist, it stands to reason (to use the least appropriate word possible) that you believe ALL misery was created by your deity, including malaria.
According to John Green, it’s tuberculosis.
I religion is shit, but mosquitoes (and the myriad of illnesses they transmit) have killed more humans than humans have.
Mosquitos were created by Satan himself.
Exactly. Mosquitos = Christians, Jews, and Islamists.
Maybe let’s leave the edgy atheist bullshit back on reddit. It adds nothing to the conversation and is just said to piss people off
Faith is less than nothing when weighed against observable, measurable fact. Religion should never be allowed to overrule science.
I believe in freedom of religion, but if your religion prohibits you from the practice of medicine, you are not allowed to have a hospital. Jehovah’s Witnesses and Scientologists don’t have hospitals either.
Religion is like your dick: keep it to yourself in public, only share it with the consent of others, and you’re solely responsible for any consequences arising from its use.
And you especially keep it away from children.
Nearly all our hospitals are run by church folk, so their beliefs are applied to all patients. Certain elective or life saving procedures alike have seen this story in some form.
Hospitals should not be owned religious institutions. Here is a general reminder to anyone who has a Primary Care at a Catholic or Christian hospital. If you have an alternative hospital that supports the full spectrum of reproductive health, then leave the religious zealot hospital and tell them why.
I’m in Arkansas. Non religious hospitals exist?
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Bible Belt sucks. The firm grip religion has on every aspect of everyone’s lives it’s sickening. I’m under the same predicament. It’s a PITA.
This is my take. They’re pretty much a business.
Catholic colleges too. They’re making money AND taking public funds.
Businesses with a religious dogma that makes victims out of people for needing healthcare.
People should also be aware that not all catholic hospitals are open about being catholic. In some areas they are buying up smaller practices and entire hospitals but keeping it’s previous name so it’s confusing and harder to avoid them.
At least they had compassionate nurses…
Painted into a corner, the Nusslocks were forced to drive to a nearby facility that was not bound by religious restriction — but not before a nurse at Providence handed them a bucket and some towels “in case something happens in the car.”
Our healthcare system is so efficient that after a hospital refuses to provide care thanks to religious nutjobs, the at-risk patient has to take a bucket and a towel and drive themselves to another hospital instead of being taken by an ambulance with actual medical personnel. Maybe they were just 10 grand short of being able to afford it.
Holy fuck.
“Oh, you said abortion. I thought you said a bucket. My bad.”
Daily reminder that religion is a monstrous evil.
Religion is not necessary for humans to come together in a shared plan to cause harm to others.
I think to call yourself a hospital the law should require them to adhere to medical science, not a religious belief. If they want to be religion first, and medical second, then they should be a private clinic that is labeled as such so people know they are not going to get the full hospital medical care one would expect from an institution calling itself a hospital.
We should have a law that keeps religious organizations from receiving Medicaid and Medicare reimbursements. That would stop this shit real quick.
Religion is politics is ridiculous, religion in healthcare is just beyond unacceptable and completely fucked up
supreme court gonna allow this deadly nonsense and turn hospitals into religious death panels. Let the doctors decide things not a bunch of bean counters
One of the worse parts is that they may soon have the only delivery ward in their area.
Let me guess, thanks to Steward?
I heard this on the radio and they were calling the hospital Providence, I didn’t even know it was Catholic.
