• @Veedem@lemmy.world
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    1032 months ago

    It will never be $30,000 or less. He did the same thing with the Model 3.

    You really just can’t believe anything this guy says regarding his products.

  • metaStatic
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    472 months ago

    if he gets over his fear of lidar and stops trying to do everything with cameras this could actually work out … so basically this isn’t going to work out.

    • @ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee
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      12 months ago

      What benefit would a lidar bring that they haven’t already achieved with cameras and radar? The car not seeing where it’s going is not exactly an issue they’re having with FSD.

      • @Num10ck@lemmy.world
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        182 months ago

        a lidar could tell the difference between a person on a bus billboard and a person. it brings 3d to a 2d party.

        • @ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee
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          52 months ago

          A lidar alone can’t do that. It’ll just build a 3D point cloud. You still need software to detect the individual objects in there and that’s easier said than done. So far Tesla seems to be achieving this just fine by using cameras alone. Human eyes can tell the difference between an actual person and a picture of a person too. I don’t see how this is supposed to be somethin you can’t do with just cameras.

            • @ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee
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              No, and neither are your eyes, but you can still see the world in 3D.

              You can use normal cameras to create 3D images by placing two cameras next to each other and creating a stereogram. Alternatively, you can do this with just one camera by taking a photo, moving it slightly, and then taking another photo - exactly what cameras in a moving vehicle are doing all the time. Objects closer to the camera move differently than the background. If you have a billboard with a person on it, the background in that picture moves differently relative to the person than the background behind an actual person would.

              • @zbyte64
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                21 month ago

                Talk about making a difficult problem (self-driving) more difficult to solve by solving another hard problem.

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                  Just slapping on a lidar doesn’t simply solve that issue for you either. Making out individual objects from the point cloud data is equally difficult plus you’re then having to deal with cameras too because Waymo has both. I don’t see how you imagine having Lidar and cameras would be easier to deal with than just cameras.

                  Also. Tesla already has more or less solved this issue. FSD works just fine with cameras only and new HW4 models have radar too.

    • @weew@lemmy.ca
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      132 months ago

      I think the general rule of thumb is to shift the units of time up.

      If he says 2 weeks, try 2 months. If he says 2 months, wait 2 years.

      Robotaxis in 2 decades I think is actually achievable.

      • Annoyed_🦀
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        122 months ago

        It’s funny that Boston Dynamic has been quite successful with their biped robot, then Tesla announce something without even a working prototype.

        Then Waymo has been quite successful with their driverless taxi, then Melon announce something without even a working prototype.

        I wonder what he will copy next.

    • @teejay@lemmy.world
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      92 months ago

      Hopefully it’s infinity. It’s Elon Musk we’re talking about. These are 100% going to kill people (pedestrians, other drivers, riders) and animals.

  • @MNByChoice@midwest.social
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    292 months ago

    What mass transit program is Musk trying to disrupt now? (As he did California’s high speed rail with the Hyperloop.)

  • Blackout
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    292 months ago

    Dumbest car design yet Elon. Congrats. Nothing says cab like a coupe design with gullwing doors.

    • @Dragonstaff@leminal.space
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      212 months ago

      A cab with no driver is just an incredibly expensive gender neutral toilet. I shudder to think what will be done in these if they ever exist.

      • AmbiguousProps
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        32 months ago

        Musk is installing men and women’s toilets separately, like God intended.

    • DarkThoughts
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      I agree it is an idiotic design for a cab, but I’d argue the Cybertruck is a way dumber design even by visuals alone. That thing would at least make for a half decent sports car (again, visually).

      • @dan1101@lemm.ee
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        32 months ago

        That’s true, he’s been saying 6 months or a year for Full Self Driving for almost 10 years now.

  • @Mostly_Gristle@lemmy.world
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    242 months ago

    Given Tesla’s usual build quality I feel like it’s pretty much inevitable that there are going to be an enormous amount of skull and limb injuries from those gullwing doors.

  • Annoyed_🦀
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    212 months ago

    Its name is still not clear. Prior to the event, Musk referred to it as both ‘Cybercab’ and ‘Robotaxi’.

    Couldn’t even decide a name and everything is 3d render. Add 3 years at least to the existing estimation. At least they didn’t have a toy rc as a representation, like their announcement of the robot.

    Musk said that Cybercab is equipped with Tesla’s AI5 onboard computer and based on a visual check, it appears to only use cameras, like Tesla’s existing vehicles.

    Gonna add another 1 year to it. Cybertruck didn’t even have full autopilot yet, and required the car to be babyseated. Steering-less car that only use camera for their autopilot is gonna be a disaster.

      • Annoyed_🦀
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        32 months ago

        Recently found out about F9, superb content even though i don’t ride motorcycle.

    • @Draupnir@lemmy.world
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      32 months ago

      A disaster using camera only for autopilot? Tesla FSD supervised has been successfully operating in consumer vehicles using cameras only for a couple years now. FSD software for the last several months has been performing phenomenally. If you take a ride in one it’s not hard at all to see how it could operate fully autonomously even within the next year.

      • Annoyed_🦀
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        72 months ago

        A disaster using camera only for autopilot?

        A disaster for steering-less, unsupervised autopilot car. There’s a difference.

        If you take a ride in one it’s not hard at all to see how it could operate fully autonomously even within the next year.

        I’ve have faith before when CGP Grey simp so much on Tesla autopilot several years ago, but that faith waned so hard after several mishap and death. Yes, it’s gonna be fully autopilot like before, but it would need to be supervised as always.

        In the case of steering-less tesla, there’s no backup driver to prevent this.

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          Sure, I hear you, you’ve lost faith. Sounds like this happened over years which is understandable given the prolonged timelines and failed promises. What makes you think that the system will always need to be supervised? Any new technology can experience hurdles, but can you elaborate on

          several mishap and deaths

          ? Things may happen once in a while for a completely new technology involving vehicles and driving, but for the long term it is a necessary step to develop something that can save countless more lives. Chances are, you are either currently on, or have tried a drug or medication that has lead to numerous deaths and permanent disability during its workup and development. Did you lose faith in medicine and avoid it, or did you take the drug despite the incredibly rare risk of death?

          It seems that your attitude about the current situation was formed years ago. Definitely worth a second look and seeing for yourself, as the supervising driver, if you are not yet aware of the improvement and the current state of the software.

          • Annoyed_🦀
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            52 months ago

            Things may happen once in a while for a completely new technology involving vehicles and driving, but for the long term it is a necessary step to develop something that can save countless more lives.

            Do you know how villainous that sounds?

            “some of you may die, but it’s a sacrifice i’m willing to make.”

            Yeah, you sounds like a villain from VHS copy of Shrek.

            What makes you think that the system will always need to be supervised?

            What makes you think a system doesn’t need to be supervised? What datacenter doesn’t have people readily available to make change and fix bug? What autonomous factory doesn’t have people readily available to stop the system and jump in to fix fatal error? What autonomous train system doesn’t have failsafe and purposefully build infrastructure to support the automation to be as safe as possible?

            What makes you think Tesla done something so good, so brilliant that’s better than those enclosed, sandboxed environment, that it doesn’t need lidar as a failsafe? What gives Tesla special privilege to throw safety out of the window because of Melon Husk’s ego?

            If you so desperately trying to save life, here’s some suggestion.

            • @Draupnir@lemmy.world
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              12 months ago

              Haha, okay so this is about emotion and your predisposition to hate Elon Musk as well as your fear of new technology.

              I guess we are not actually participating in conversation anymore so I will bow out.

              Good luck my safety champion. Go drive manual and ensure the world always has a person watching, because people don’t get distracted…right?

              • Annoyed_🦀
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                52 months ago

                Ohh so you can’t even give me a reason why i should trust something without safety rail, only talk about how safe it is right now, supervised, but didn’t elaborate on why steering-less, unsupervised system without redundant safety feature like having a lidar is okay. And i’m the emotional one and not participating. Sure bud.

                Go drive manual and ensure the world always has a person watching, because people don’t get distracted…right?

                What are you on about? 🤨 You talk about the topic as if everyone driving a Tesla or Melon Husk have the intention to share the technology with every car maker.

              • AmbiguousProps
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                42 months ago

                It’s interesting to see someone so upset that someone consider safety when driving a 5,000+ lb vehicle.

                Usually, people who say “this is about emotion” in a debate or argument are the ones acting fully on their emotions. Oh no, someone is emotional about not wanting to get killed by a tech bro texting or sleeping while their car poorly “drives” them! The horror!

      • AmbiguousProps
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        22 months ago

        “successfully”

        Last time I drove one and tried it, it tried to ram me into the next lane over on a medium curve. It’s not great.

  • @MyOpinion@lemm.ee
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    You know what would have been even more useful is a 28k model 2. This show was a scam.

  • DarkGamer
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    162 months ago

    I’ve heard this one before… Musk has proven himself an untrustworthy bad faith actor who lies constantly about many things, especially self-driving Teslas.

    Now he’s a right-wing loon because he thinks they will let him get away with fraud. He acts like he’s on a speed run to ruin his own credibility.

  • Zier
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    Coming in 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5, oh whatever. In the future Ketamine Karen will introduce a new scam / con / road safety hazard!