• @Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
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    Soooooooo…what happens whenever X eventually dies? Does Bluesky just defederate, and say “Haha! It is I who has the most audience, therefore I who dictate the industry!”

    Hot or not was a thing until friendster was a thing.

    Friendster was a thing, until myspace was a thing.

    Myspace was a thing until facebook was a thing.

    We’ve seen this line of ups and downs before. Eventually Twitter will be replaced. And then the new thing will be around. As of right now, Bluesky is “federated”, but it REALLY feels like they don’t want to be. Drop of a hat, and they’re defederated. Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t see it.

    I want you to imagine signing up for a service that has extroplatratinated defubulinators. And everybody on the service is taking full advantage of it. But you haven’t signed up yet, so your defubulinator needs to be created and calibrated before you can gain anything from it. Now imagine if you had no idea what extroplatratinated defubulinators even were, and you weren’t being given any indication what they do, or how to use them. Imagine you had no idea what I was even talking about. And imagine what you would do if search engines wouldn’t help you figure it out. But here I am, ranting and raving about how much better it is for you than traditional methods. But you couldn’t find ANYONE who used it, or knew what I was talking about either.

    So now you just keep living life. Never again taking what I said serious.

    • JoYo
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      411 days ago

      i donno about other social networks but my fedi posts from 15 years ago are still up.

      • @Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
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        111 days ago

        15 years ago, was the early days of twitter, the dying days of myspace, and the point where facebook first became dominant.

        You talking about one of those? Because zero chance your myspace are still up.

        And facebook/twitter? Ew.

        • JoYo
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          511 days ago

          my fedi posts from 15 years ago are still up.

    • Sundray
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      There was a time when people thought legally mandated interoperability could become the law of the land. That dream is probably dead, but if there’s ever a chance to push it through, it would be worth doing. It’d be a complex piece of legislation to be sure and would probably need to go through a number of iterations to get it right, but it would be a start.

      • @drake@lemmy.sdf.org
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        and Google used to care about not being evil.

        Corporations will ALWAYS enshittify a platform they control. It’s simply a matter of time.

    • @zephorah@lemm.ee
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      111 days ago

      The difference is businesses started using it to promote and customer care, even the President uses it. My Space never had that.

  • @paddirn@lemmy.world
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    X will likely merge with TruthSocial as the defacto Conservative/Right-wing social media site (named something dumb like “XTruthXSocialX”), while BlueSky will become the defacto Liberal social media site.

    • @psychothumbs@lemmy.worldOP
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      That would be great - much better than the current situation where twitter is run like a right-wing site but still has people from across the political spectrum hanging out there due to inertia.

      • @meep_launcher@lemm.ee
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        Oh yea, he never turned off his mic. Pretty sure I heard his mom come down with tang and Oreos and he cussed her out

        • Bizzle
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          His mom has pretty good tang though 👀👀

    • @cable@lemmy.world
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      Can you imagine taking X (formerly Twitter) public again with a merger with $DJT? Holy smokes.

  • @BMTea@lemmy.world
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    It needs A) same functionality B) ban all forms of racism, especially Zionism and C) refuse investment from undemocratic nations like GCC or China

      • @BMTea@lemmy.world
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        If I was being honest I’d add “literally anyone whos firm has any connections to a NATO government” but then I’d be called a consoiracy theorist. But as for GCC, that’s a more direct threat to lives of dissidents.

    • @Fedizen@lemmy.world
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      yeah I don’t think a usa based platform is really “long gaming” the fee speech problem. Bluesky now shifting to monetization plans. Its a matter of time until some rich dildo buys it up. If were lucky it will be mark cuban or somebody buts its still grim prospects.

      • @zephorah@lemm.ee
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        Cuban has deleted much of his anti trump talk, high odds the man is hunkering down.

        Remember, trumps been promising vengeance to “enemies” for well over a year now, and now he has immunity from prosecution.

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        “Fee speech” is a serendipitous typo. Or maybe you meant it. First I’ve heard it, anyway.

    • @zephorah@lemm.ee
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      That’s not going to happen here. Am I the only one who watched Trumps speech claiming to be about 1A? He is coming for social media day 1, to reinforce Elon Musk, not only on Twitter, but all other large social media platforms (he doesn’t name FB and Reddit, but he’s talking about FB and Reddit, maybe as far down as Lemmy, BlueSky & Mastadon too, idk).

      He says he’s going to mobilize “my Department of Justice” to do it.

      He specifically says: making account removal/banning only possible via court order, removing moderation, and removing any labels of misinformation or disinformation.

      He’s already threatening YouTube with removal of section 230, if they moderate content.

      Why is no one talking about this?

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          It’s a YouTube video of his speech. Asmongold has a reaction video as do other people who make their living on YouTube, but the shortest take is the original posted by that dipshit RFK Jr. 6min. Only 234k views, probably because it’s buried on RFK Jrs bullshit. It’s the vid with the giant green crayon all caps subtitles. Idk why they captioned it that way, but, they did.

          https://youtu.be/xJfUXVOoFBo?si=7zP2Et5QGSt5dW20

      • @Astronauticaldb@lemmy.world
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        What’s with the consistent amount of “American Democracy is dead” rhetoric I’ve been seeing lately? It’s not like Trump is president yet. And sure, Biden isn’t going to make too much impact as a lame duck, but even after Trump takes office again, there’s a lot he can do, and a whole lot more he won’t be able to. The power is still in the hands of the people, especially at the local level. America’s democracy isn’t dead, and saying anything of the sort is obeying in advance.

        • @Petter1@lemm.ee
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          Yea, have you heard about project 2025?

          With choosing trump, the American people have chosen that they approve that project.

          At least, so do I see it.

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          Have you seen Project 2025, Trump’s unofficial but kind of official election plan? Republicans have all three branches of government now. They would have to willingly choose to not follow their own proposed plan, and there’s no reason to do that. So, logically, they will execute it - and that’s it. The end of US democracy.

          Go read it or summaries of it if you think it’s hyperbole.

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            It’s not a bullet list or headline so they’re going to continue to ignore all 996 pages of it.

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          If you tell people now that Democracy is dead, they don’t bother fighting the real fight, if and when push comes to shove.

          Dems said this election is the end of Democracy, but still put an uninspiring right candidate. They said Trump is the fascist danger to all the US stands for. But having him and his crownies dismantled by getting criminal charges on them seemed to go too far. When grassroots movements came up and demanded change instead of embracing them, taking them seriously and talking with them properly, they were shunned and pushed down.

          Now the greatest danger to corporate America are people to start organizing and taking to the streets. So hammer down the defeatist message, so the people suck up to their corporate overlords. The corporate overlords who won yet another election as both candidates represented their class interests.

          • @taladar@sh.itjust.works
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            All you are describing really only suggests that American democracy has been dead for even longer, not that it isn’t dead yet.

          • @zephorah@lemm.ee
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            I just don’t see how that broken down old man who says they’re eating the cats and dogs is inspiring to anyone. But then I don’t vote on inertia.

            • @schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business
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              Because Trump voters are poorly educated, and frankly, stupid.

              You heard something about eating cats and dogs, they heard someone telling them that Those people they don’t like are doing horrible things, and he will make things even with Those people.

              Literally a dog whistle, but you have to be a blithering moron to understand it, because anyone who isn’t just hears a senile old dumbass saying stupid shit.

              • @zephorah@lemm.ee
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                One of my parents, not Trumpers in spite of age, thinks Vance is trolling him to 25th him later. Either way, that tired, not looking too good medically, old man isn’t likely for long going forward. I think this is a Vance, Heritage, Musk game. Game in full essence of the word where Musk is concerned. That egomaniacal child of Apartheid is even playing with Putin. Evidence even of thwarting Ukraine insofar as he is able.

                • @schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business
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                  I’m not sure I buy that: Trump is a cult, and his cultists are going to have an absolute riotous fit if someone tries to depose him.

                  Short of him dying or doing something you just can’t ignore - like, say, he eats shit out of his diaper on national tv - he’s not going anywhere.

                  Vance isn’t smart enough to 6D chess his way into the presidency without his nominal constituency rioting over it, so I’m doubtful that’s his play.

                  He’s probably just going to pull the last-guy-in-the-room thing, since that’s the only person Trump listens to or remembers anyway which means you keep the cultists happy AND you get the figurehead to do what you want anyways without the mess.

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          Oh you sweet summer child.

          A key component of 2016-2020 was Trump was surrounded by people who wouldn’t, including generals who wouldn’t entertain his talk of maybe using nukes. It’s not that he couldn’t in 2016-2020, it’s that he was surrounded by people who wouldn’t and he didn’t know how himself.

          That’s no longer the case. And the people around him have studied up on how.

          One of his first big speeches post win this week, claiming to be about defending 1A, he states he’s going to use/mobilize “my Department of Justice” to prosecute anyone trying to enforce the Hatch Act. The Hatch Act is the thing that keeps polling locations safe and neutral. The Hatch Act prevents the threatening of voters in or within 100yds of polling locations, as well as making the buying of votes illegal. That latter part keeps voting free.

          Think about the possibilities. Think hard. In fact, if you’re a creative type, sit down and write a short story about what that could look like on the present political climate.

          He’s reading a script, the entire speech lacks his usual meandering bullshit. It’s cagey. He totally didn’t write it. The only piece that smells like trump is the piece about no longer being able to ban social media accounts without a court order, probably because that’s personal for him.

          And remember. SCOTUS basically said he can do anything while President without fear of prosecution. It’s simply that Biden is unwilling to go there that we haven’t seen what that looks like yet.

          I don’t read hard left media for this info. I listen to direct talk, from Trump, from his people, and listen to/read interviews with individuals in or very close to the 2016-2020 term. I then find a historian or lawyer who can add nuance. I then read the hive mind of We The People and other countries for more perspective.

      • @BMTea@lemmy.world
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        They should definitely not allow investment from anyone associated with Trump admin, the Pentagon etc.

  • @Limonene@lemmy.world
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    I just hope federal services (like applying for a passport) don’t become Twitter-only after Trump appoints Elon as Secretary of Enshittification.

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      You mean head of DOGE? Because we live in the timeline where a terminally online edgelord with the brain of a 14yo and the body of a 54yo makes meme government agencies.

      Anyway, get your passport now. They’re good for ten years, enough to last at least through the tentative end of Trump’s circus.

    • @cRazi_man@lemm.ee
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      I’ve made a huge mistake breaking my personal rule to avoid all political content and I’ve regretted that immediately

      • @glowinfly@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        4 years if laws and constitution stay the same and are followed… first term he had people alienated into him who were at least slightly appropriated for their positions, this time people who has nothing to do with their positions are being appointed simply for being loyal to him… Let’s see if any of them won’t let him do anything drastic within 4 YEARS

      • @TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee
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        Thing is, mate…fascists rarely stay inside their boarders. This is going to be the whole world’s problem in about 3 months.

          • SkaveRat
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            upside: maybe fashism will kill us all before climate does? yay?

        • @barsoap@lemm.ee
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          Trump wants adulation, not conquest. Push come to shove you can get him out of the oval office by making him figurehead Emperor, as long as it comes with immunity he’ll accept.

          On a scale of Mussolini to Hitler, he’s like 250% towards Mussolini.

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          international us policy is very similar between republicans and democrats. you guys are already the whole worlds problem. 🌍🧑‍🚀🔫🧑‍🚀

          im sorry but trump will be your problem. until the empire decides to turn up the violence dial again that is, which is something both parties do sometimes.

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        It’s more than 4 years. We just crawled out of Trump inflation and now are going right back in.

        Dismantling and breaking is easy. They can do a lot of that in 4 yrs. Building takes decades.

        There’s also a global effect. Would Putin have ever attacked Ukraine without a Trump term? How about Israel’s taking self defense into genocide territory?

        America leads by example and the last example was an impulsive 3 yo with a giant military force and a dead diplomacy department in the executive branch. There’s permissiveness in that.

  • @DarkFuture@lemmy.world
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    I wouldn’t get too excited. Humans as a whole aren’t particularly smart and it only takes a small percentage of bad actors and super dipshits to spread misinformation like a cancer no matter what platform you’re on.

    Our species wasn’t prepared for the internet. We should be adding courses to public education teaching how to separate fact from fiction and how to find and utilize reliable sources, but instead we gleefully elected a party that ran on deconstructing the public education system.

    Oops.

  • @beebarfbadger@lemmy.world
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    Countdown until it turns out that everybody associated with any competition to Musk’s companies just so happens to be a criminal Trump siccs his DOJ after: 5… 4…

    • @JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz
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      I wouldn’t discount the possibility that bsky is backed by the same dark money pool that bought twitter. putin found that it’s way too easy to buy elections worldwide just using social media. They’ll never give it up.

  • Zier
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    Twitter disappears when racism ends. Twitter will stay the cesspool it is.

    • @NegativeInf@lemmy.world
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      Twitter dies when advertisers realize there’s no money in paying to advertise there. The moment it becomes more advantageous to pay for the ads somewhere else, it collapses.

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        Not when Elon can sue companies into continuing to advertise on Twitter.

        • @glowinfly@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          He will be part of the government so technically a state-affiliated media at best… or simply state media, I don’t think it will close anytime soon now. Maybe after 2028 (if ever?), there are so many bots there its hard to know how many are genuinely true people

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        No. I thought so too, but it’s not the case anymore. Elon is so rich now, that he can run Twitter just as his personal propaganda media. same as bezos bought that newspaper.

  • Juice
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    Bummer that isn’t mastodon but any inconvenience to musk is appreciated

    • Encrypt-Keeper
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      I say this as someone who likes fediverse microblogging (Mastodon, MissKey, etc) it will never be Mastodon. Mastodon and its maintainers are staunchly against all the things that would make it a viable replacement to Twitter.

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      Actually not a bummer in my opinion, let people sort into different platforms based on their interests like we used to do with forums.

      A fragmented internet is a better internet

      • @Cordinel@lemmy.sdf.org
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        But it’s not fragmented. Mastodon is still the odd “vegan” option while BlueSky is becoming the main Twitterlike platform. Mastodon is still coming out the other end mostly the same.

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        I somewhat agree, but it’s not going to happen. If Bluesky wins this battle, they’re just going to be the dominant platform. It’s not going to spread out. It’s just going to migrate. A federated alternative would at least be spread out by design, though connected still.

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        that’s not how the modern internet works and unfortunately i am forced to be on facebook because all 4 of my hobbies no longer exists outside of it.

        if people moved to the fediverse instead of bluesky or such, then we’d actually be able to have a fragmented internet again - due to how the fediverse interconnects through federation.

        which i think is the best selling point the fediverse have - no longer would users need to be on multiple services, they could just be on one, and still interact with the services across the fediverse. but unless there is a mass-migration of one single service to the fediverse, such as people choosing mastodon over bluesky, to be the dominant service - it’s just never going to happen.

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    I’m not sure it will, and I don’t really want it to. Twitter is a shithole in part because of the userbase. If Twitter dies, the users will move to Bluesky and make that shitty too. I’m already seeing porn bots appearing in my feeds with as small a userbase as there is!

    • @Lila_Uraraka@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      That’s valid, luckily, Threads seems to be taking all the alt right extremists, Mastodon is taking all the programmers, and Bluesky is taking all the furries and LGBTQ

  • @zecg@lemmy.world
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    Let’s replace one proprietary service with another. It looks so good with its API wide open, like it’s never getting enshittified.

    • Communist
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      Bluesky is not proprietary, it’s mit licensed and open source

    • @drake@lemmy.sdf.org
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      It’s obvious to me that we need to have laws to enforce portability of data and interoperability for large platforms.

        • @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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          I mean, this is one of the central pitches behind Web3.0/Crypto. Everything has a digital tag and its all going to be portable between platforms.

          Did it come to fruition? No, of course not. Its all a pile of scams. But then so was Web2.0 and Web1.0 during their heydays.

            • @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_bubble

              This goes all the way back to '98, when the original slew of start-ups gobbled up investments only to flop a few years later. Web2.0 had its own bubble burst starting in 2008, taking down a host of the early social media ecosystems (MySpace, Yahoo, and Geocities, most famously). Huge upfront investments with the promise of explosive ROI that took far longer to materialize (or simply never did).

              A great deal of the valuation in these firms was built on lies and bullshit - misreported user activity, overly optimistic monetization estimates, and outright accounting fraud.

              2020 gave us what looked like was going to be a third Crypto bust wave (FTX being the big industry leader leading the charge). But the pivot to AI appears to have bailed a lot of the bigger investors out. We’ll see how long that lasts.

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                Oh, I think I understand your point, but we do have different definitions of what a scam is.

                For me, if the guys getting fucked are capitalists or huge investing firms that were trying to leverage their money to make more money just from speculation and not being actually involved, that’s not a scam, that justice. Economic bubbles happen because big money guys are trying to gamble the system to start with, so karma.

                In the other hand, crypto scams are more close to a conman selling snake oil to the uneducated masses, that for me is a full fledged scam.