this is why democrats will keep on losing. Aggressive campaigning against progressives. That’s how they tanked Berny who had a real shot at trump at the time. They have mothballed trump indictments when they’ve had a chance to impeach him, they have gagged them this campaign and result is for everyone to see… Pelosi is a very mean and very capable machine of destryction when it comes to progressives and their ideas
No fucking lie. Democrats scrap like alley cats while liberals clutch their pearls viewing GOP hypocrisy. They stick together, no matter what, and they win.
Remember, Pelosi has a net worth over $200mil.
“It’s a big club, and she’s in it.”
Pelosi fucking sucks. AOC for pres.
I hope that someday we live in a world where that can happen.
Maybe if she gets a few felonies.
Hey, here’s a thought. You know about the guy that shot a parasite in NY? AOC could try that too. She’d need enough vocal (and armed) popular support to avoid conviction (and retaliatory assassination) and it might turn into a civil war, but it might also work.
you are playing into eurasias plan wtih a civil war.
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Ideally, the support would be so overwhelming that it doesn’t come to actual protracted violent conflict. But if the alternative is an erosion of civil rights by a greedy oligarchy, I have little faith that they’d actually oppose “eurasias plan” either, so it doesn’t seem like there’s much to lose here.
you mean the oligarchs that exist in Russia today?
Sure, if that’s what you want to look at for comparison, though America has plenty of its own (as do other nations). Pretty sure extreme wealth knows no allegiance but to itself. Nations are pawns to them, nationality a way to draw lines, nationalism a way to make people fight over those lines instead of fighting the vampires making bank off of that conflict.
Whether you’ll end up under Russian exploitation, American exploitation, European exploitation, Chinese exploitation or literally any other oligarchy you could come up with doesn’t really matter.
Better to fight for a chance at freedom than fall for the deception that a particular flag makes one parasite better than the other. And if it should come to violence, maybe it will at least train a force of veteran resistance fighters if the eurasian powers come knocking. We’ve got a live demonstration of how a motivated resistance can give an imperialist invader a hard time.
War is a waste of lives and resources and regrettable in any circumstance. I hope that changes for the better can happen without resulting in bloodshed and destruction. I hope for a better, happier, more prosperous future for all of us.
Burn the Democratic party to the ground. Their complicity has resulted in this state of affairs.
none of the contemporary democrats have experience fighting fascists.
usually because they don’t recognize their financial advisors as being fascists
It’s a sunk cost. All the time and effort we spent propping them up could be use to build a new but people won’t face the fact. They think they can slowly steer it in the right direction but all the effort that has to go in is easily reversed by some insignificant amount of money from the doner class.
Part of the problem is that you literally cannot build up a third party under First Past the Post voting.
The thing is, the current most popular alternative voting system, RCV is just as bad for third parties.
RCV was first invented in the 1780s by the Marquis de Condorcet, under the name Instant Runoff. He wrote about it, mostly to highlight it’s problems.
Like the fact that under IRV the majority preferred candidate can easily lose the election.
And that’s the tip of the iceberg when it comes to flaws in IRV.
Thankfully it’s been over 200 years since then, and better voting systems have been designed.
STAR is as close to the magical best system designed to date.
If we had STAR for all elections, plus voting day as a national holiday, we’d be in a vastly better place.
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It happened before with the Whigs.
All this is moot. There is no party that will be able to wrest power away from the GOP come January. Yet still there will be fools putting all their hopes in the effectively powerless DNC.
Yeah, we’re coming into a pretty horrible timeline. I’d have preferred the one where the Brooks Brothers Riot failed. But that ship has long sailed.
This timeline is going to be an authoritarian nightmare with random high points where some rich asshole is murked by an Adjustor copycat.
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“I’m probably going to die before my term is over, but I need to ratfuck the next generation of politicians so fascists get even more chance at fucking over more Americans.”
Might as well just vote yes on everything Trump says, Pelosi.
Bingo
No surprise there.
Establishment Democrats would rather have power held by Republicans than by progressive Democrats.
And AOC has been kowtowing to Pelosi for the last few years in hopes of going along to get along. Hopefully this will wake up progressive Democrats to realize they will never be accepted by corporate Democrats, no matter how much they move to the right to appease them.
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I wish people would stop saying this. She would lose. I like her, but that doesn’t change the fact that she is not going to be president.
She’s a real feisty one who’s only willing to go so far into being “corporate.” With the inevitable loss of Bernie, she will become the most recognized face of progressives in Congress. Her sharp tongue and wit, combined with an excellent ability to get her points made succinctly would serve her well in any attempt to run. She’s more lively and personable than Harris ever was.
I’d say she has an excellent shot at the White House if she so chooses.
Why would she lose?
The normies would project whatever fantasy they want onto her, and she’s hot so it could be positive delusions.
She’s also brown, a liberal, and from New York. Even if she had the cure for cancer White America would rather crucify themselves than let her become president.
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Conventional logic also said Trump would loose but here we are.
Fuck Nancy Pelosoi and fuck corporate-owned democrats, and fuck the DNC.
All comes down to $$$
AOC is fine when she’s getting trotted out on Twitch-Plays-Pokemon to beg for dollars. But actually giving her power? Fuck that. No business interest would ever donate to the party again if they thought she was what they’d be buying into.
You’re… not making me say fuck the DNC any less with this comment, I hope you realize.
No. But its worth understanding why AOC has survived in her seat longer than Cori Bush or Jamal Bowman did. She’s been following the Sanders entryist playbook, thinking she can eventually get a seat at the table. But every two years, she gets played as a sucker - raising the party a ton of money, then getting stuffed back into the box when her usefulness has passed.
Bush and Bowman couldn’t bring in that kind of coin, so they’ve been punted from the organization and replaced with more doctrinaire loyalists. AOC gets to hold her seat just so long as she finds enough people to keep bankrolling the consultant fees.
At some point, she needs to recognize she’s being strung along or she just becomes another part of the problem.
Didn’t Harris bring in half a B with non-corporate donations within a few weeks of getting the nomination?
non-corporate donations
She unlocked hundreds of millions from bundlers who’d been sitting on the sidelines due to Biden’s tanking poll numbers. But this was money Biden should have already raised up until Harris entered the race. He just wasn’t in a fit mental state to be phone banking and glad handing the big money, like he’d managed back under the Obama campaigns.
Biden actually raised $3.2B back in 2020, thanks to his fundraising network. That he and Harris barely got over a billion (a number Obama matched back in 2008) suggests a huge draw back in support over Biden’s four years as president.
Wow I can’t seem to figure out why Democrats keep losing elections
Pelosi is as bad as Mitch. These corporate backed dinosaurs have no business representing the people.
Funny that lemmy.world keeps whining about .ml types trying to get people not to vote when these fucking neoliberal ghouls are a better argument against it than anything they could ever say.
I vote Democrat because the other option is a Fascist, Democrats do this shit like breathing and it only makes me hate filling the bubble of “Not the open fascist party” party.
I’ve always wanted to ask how nice that sheriff was. I’ve read that he let you take visitors in his office and whatnot.
The election was an opportunity to keep the GOP out of power and enacting fascist rule. Doesn’t matter how awful the dems were they would never reach that level depravity. It was a total lost opportunity for anyone who did not support the Democrat candidate.
That said there is no cause that the DNC can have significant impact on moving forward. They failed at the one thing they were suppose to do. It’s a sunk cost, because we know they can’t consistently win or even win decisively. It’s so sick that every election for the last 10 years has been GOP favored. It doesn’t make any sense but here we are.
Sounds like an endorsement then… enemy of my enemy and all.
You know she’s a great candidate for the people when her own party leaders don’t want her in power.
The Republican party didn’t initially want Trump. I don’t think your logic holds up.
Yet they quickly jumped on board and never took a stand against him. They are lock step now, so just because he didn’t get a warm welcome, they sure do love him now.
Look, I found the problem with the DNC. Yes, it’s rotten to the core and you will never change it.
There are ways to change it. You can attend local Democratic party meetings in your city. You can also vote in the primaries and you could also call Nancy Pelosi yourself. https://pelosi.house.gov/contact/offices/washington-dc-office
Note about contacting her: sadly she was hospitalized just recently: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/nancy-pelosi-hospitalized-congressional-visit-luxembourg-rcna184144 even if I disagree with her sometimes I still wish her a full recovery. It’s likely that no matter her health it would go to her secretary so perhaps if lots of people call the message would still get passed along to her once she gets better.
You can attend local Democratic party meetings in your city. You can also vote in the primaries and you could also call Nancy Pelosi yourself.
Good news, everybody. I put in a quick call and made a few salient points. Nancy agreed with me on all of them and says she’s reversing her decision.
even if I disagree with her sometimes I still wish her a full recovery
Why are you so invested in licking boots?
What have you done to make things better? Sitting and not doing anything lets the other people do things you don’t want. Having an influence increases the chances of getting what you want. Imagine if people primaried Nancy Pelosi. Also Nancy Pelosi is likely trying to tank AOC’s committee bid because she feels she’s making the best decision for the party. That’s because people who feel AOC is good for the party aren’t being heard by her.
Sitting and not doing anything
Why are the only two options “Be a three term Congresswoman” or “Do Nothing”?
Having an influence increases the chances of getting what you want.
The problem is that AOC has no influence. She can’t impact the language of legislation, the priorities of national spending, or the operation of her assigned committees.
Imagine if people primaried Nancy Pelosi.
Its been tried, repeatedly. Her position is unassailable, largely by way of name recognition. The cost of running a campaign in a media market as expensive as San Fransisco’s is astronomical. That, combined with her influence in state and local political leadership, means Dems close ranks and shut more left-leaning candidates out of public leadership in local political establishments.
Nancy Pelosi is likely trying to tank AOC’s committee bid because she feels she’s making the best decision for the party
Oh well, in that case, I guess who are we to question her judgement.
I think either my post wasn’t clear or you misread it. I’m talking about simple actions you can take to improve the DNC. If you get involved you can have your voice heard in the party. I’m not talking about AOC’s influence, I’m talking about yours.
People SCREAMED at the party. Muslim Democrat voters made all the democracy moves, and got told to get lost:
- Organized a massive protest movement,
- Made their desires and convictions known publicly and directly to leadership who’d listen
- Turned out and protested in person
- Were snubbed any kind of representation or platform at the DNC, even for a curated speech by a sitting Congressional member
- Ran a massive protest vote in the Democratic primaries, which if sustained (which it was in the general) meant that the Dems would loose Michigan at a minimum (which Kamala did) and its 15 electoral college votes went for Trump
The party has to be listening for anyone’s voice to be heard. Until you hit your FEC donor limit and the throw down even more for a Super PAC, or pay for a seat at fundraiser dinner/chat a you’re definitely a nobody to them. We need a new party:
Organizers said about 700 people attended the fundraiser. Ticket prices ranged from $3,300 to a half million dollars. Political experts said this visit is essentially a trip to the ATM.
August 12 Zoom event with North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper, where tickets ranged from $1,000 to $25,000
If you get involved you can have your voice heard in the party.
I don’t think you’ve ever actually volunteered in a Democratic political campaign. The party leadership is far more interested in talking than listening.
I’m not talking about AOC’s influence
If a three-term Congresswoman with enormous fundraising power isn’t able to influence her Minority Leader, what is she even doing in that job?
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They could also get money out of the primary process and that would have the largest impacts
Ah the good ol WORK HARD GET NOTHING american dream
Even the username ↑ looks like a propaganda bot.
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“We should do a post mortem but first, fuck you specifically AOC.”
Old fucks clinging on to power relentlessly
