• snooggums@lemmy.worldEnglish
      48·
      1 year ago

      As an American, we made a mistake in not adopting those. Torx or whatever isn’t even as good.

      • Hubi@feddit.org
        90·
        1 year ago

        Torx is better than whatever this Canadian abomination is. You’d only put pressure on the corners in a realistic setting. These would get rounded so fast unless they are massive, like on some differentials or gearbox oil drains.

        • hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          56·
          1 year ago

          This guy mechanics

          Indeed torx is so good because it attempts to maximize the surface where pressure is applied to. This is good on smaller sized bolts that are more prone to being rounded, but especially amazing when removing bolts that may have been exposed and potentially corroded

            • hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              37·
              1 year ago

              Yeah, hex is very nice but torx is improvement over it.

              I have not checked on it, but I’m like 97.25% sure wood screws jumped from Philips to torx however because of corrosion resistance. Hex is very easy to round already as is on smaller sizes, but even more so if the head is exposed to elements and corroded. Of course material matters a lot, but even stainless corrodes over time.

              Torx has to be very, very bad condition for it to round, it’s more likely for the screw to snap

              Sorry for drunk rambling but I really like bolts. And bearings for what it’s worth

        • someguy3@lemmy.caEnglish
          14·
          1 year ago

          Never had or seen a stripped Robertson, they are robust AF. Don’t ask me the physics. (They go deep into the screw head because of the simple shape, maybe that has part of it. And they are tapered, it’s not just a square, so they manage to grip the bit like a mofo. You don’t cam out of a Robertson.)

          • Sludgeyy@lemmy.world
            7·
            1 year ago

            I’ve snapped so many Robertson bits in my life. Screws are fine.

            1 5/8" cement board screws

            They used to be Robertson. They switched to Torx.

            Night and day difference

            Like you said, they do grip like a mofo, and with an impact driver, the bits snap.

            I tried dozens of different brands of bits. Even paid top dollar for special Milwaukee ones.

            I was at a point where I had to pre-drill and counter sink the screws because I was breaking too many bits.

            I could probably drive a torx head one through a board

        • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world
          2·
          1 year ago

          Hex already fit that niche.

          Torx was just so they could make wood screws that weren’t Robertson and it bled out from there.

          • anomnom@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            2·
            1 year ago

            Torx bits are waaaay stronger than hex. Like double the surface area and tapered to work when corroded.

            My 30 year old VW axles with hex bolts were a nightmare. The new ones are all Torx or 12pt.

            I ended to driving an oversized Torx but into the nearly stripped hex bolts to finally remove them.

  • _thebrain_@sh.itjust.works
    59·
    1 year ago

    Even in a galaxy far far away everything is still made in china

    Edit: at least they didn’t use Phillips screws

  • kamen@lemmy.worldEnglish
    20·
    1 year ago

    Ironically enough other standards appeared because of the need of more torque.

  • TrenchcoatFullOfBats@belfry.rip
    16·
    1 year ago

    Preventing cam-out with a Phillips screw is like learning the ways of the Force. It takes patience and skill, something the Empire’s rigid Torx would never understand.

        • AnyOldName3@lemmy.world
          13·
          1 year ago

          Pozidriv is intentionally not backwards compatible, and one of the biggest problems it has is looking enough like Phillips that people assume it must be compatible, use a mismatched screw and driver, and strip a head.

          • MutilationWave@lemmy.world
            2·
            1 year ago

            Which is why it sucks. I go to work and I see a cross cut, I’m going to use my Phillips head of appropriate size to pull it out or put it in. Does pozidrive have any indication it’s not Phillips? I’ve honestly never seen one. I might be working on brand new stuff or 60 year old stuff.

            I don’t have any pozidrive bits but I have two sets of long torx, some double sided torx for my hand driver, and a bunch of little torx bits in my bag to hand out to the kid that came to his first day of work with nothing but a #2 Phillips.

            • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
              7·
              1 year ago

              Yes, the head is visually distinctive from Phillips, with four smaller cuts in between the main ones.

                • AnyOldName3@lemmy.world
                  4·
                  1 year ago

                  I think it’s pretty likely that you’ve seen loads and never known they were different. The difference is small enough that you wouldn’t realise it was significant until you were told:

      • dan@upvote.au
        2·
        1 year ago

        You’re right - Torx is definitely a better option. I just mentioned Pozidriv because people seem to love Phillips head so much for whatever reason, so Pozidriv seems like a logical increment from there.

        • mycelium underground@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          1 year ago

          (@Dan not shitting on you, i just really hate Phillips)

          Next logical increment… Gotta say ain’t nothing logical about Phillips/posidrive bullshit,

          Robertson drive was around when Henry Ford decided to use Phillips on his cars. Robertson was more expensive to licence the patents(Phillips was cheap cause people thought it was shit)

          God damned Nazis fucking everything up(Ford was a Nazi(ish) and a real piece of shit). Maximizing profits over everything else screws everything up as we are seeing right now, but sometimes it doesn’t just fuck up the here and now, but like Phillips, it just keeps fucking everything up for more than 100 years.

          “Let’s make a drive that has an angle to it so that it will strip out super easily and destroy the fastener(don’t tell me Phillips is great because it limits torque, it doesn’t without destroying the head so bad you might not be able to remove it)” said no good engineer ever.

    • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world
      6·
      1 year ago

      It is a curious fact, and one to which no one knows quite how much importance to attach, that something like 85% of all known worlds in the Galaxy, be they primitive or highly advanced, have invented a drink called jynnan tonnyx, or gee-N’N-T’N-ix, or jinond-o-nicks, or any one of a thousand or more variations on the same phonetic theme. The drinks themselves are not the same, and vary between the Sivolvian ‘chinanto/mnigs’ which is ordinary water served at slightly above room temperature, and the Gagrakackan ‘tzjin-anthony-ks’ which kill cows at a hundred paces; and in fact the one common factor between all of them, beyond the fact that the names sound the same, is that they were all invented and named before the worlds concerned made contact with any other worlds. What can be made of this fact? It exists in total isolation. As far as any theory of structural linguistics is concerned it is right off the graph, and yet it persists. Old structural linguists get very angry when young structural linguists go on about it. Young structural linguists get deeply excited about it and stay up late at night convinced that they are very close to something of profound importance, and end up becoming old structural linguists before their time, getting very angry with the young ones. Structural linguistics is a bitterly divided and unhappy discipline, and a large number of its practitioners spend too many nights drowning their problems in Ouisghian Zodahs.