• @dhork@lemmy.world
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    952 months ago

    You all dont get it, they’re not going to cut Social Security, they’re going to take a cut of it. It is no mistake that Musk is going after the actual payment system. He is going to try and force all government payments to individuals (and maybe all other payments too) onto X.

  • Lord Wiggle
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    512 months ago

    How long until Americans realize, and start to flee to Canada and Mexico. I’d advice those countries to prepare for millions of US refugees. Don’t forget to include a bible and a gun in every care package to make them feel at home. Trump takes care of the immigration problem by making the US the worst place to be.

    • Flying Squid
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      362 months ago

      Way ahead of you. We left for the UK on inauguration day. Now I just need to get a job.

      • Lord Wiggle
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        212 months ago

        From all the European countries, you didn’t pick a good one mate xD the UK is a mess

        • Flying Squid
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          342 months ago

          I got to pick one where I can legally live, and one that isn’t going to force my daughter into a conversion therapy camp for being gay, which is what I am concerned with at the moment.

          • @BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk
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            162 months ago

            I’m not super full of national pride, but its not exactly a hell hole and on the plus side we’ve recently elected a party on the left while a good chunk of the other major European powers are shifting to the right. Need to get on top of this Reform nonsense, but I’m not seeing anyone rounding up LGBTQ folk.

            • Flying Squid
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              162 months ago

              Agreed. And every kid my daughter has met and talked to has been very much accepting. Unlike a lot of American kids.

              • Twig
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                22 months ago

                There’s some nationalisation going on, which is kinda left. Just isn’t Corbyn’s Labour, that’s all.

            • Flying Squid
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              132 months ago

              Okay, where do you suggest I should have gone when I’m only a citizen of the US and the UK?

              Let’s hear your plan.

          • Lord Wiggle
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            I didn’t know the UK was the only European country where people aren’t forced into conversion therapy. Also, I didn’t know the UK was the only country where an American can legally live. Should I be reporting all my American gay expat friends to the government now?

            You clearly didn’t do your research when moving to Europe, and clearly have no clue on how other European countries are. The UK is not the most gay friendly of all European countries and finding work as an American is easy in many EU countries and can even have some massive tax benifits (20% tax reduction in NL for example). Many EU countries have fluent English speakers and loads of jobs where only English is no issue. While in the UK it’s going pretty fucked up since they left the EU. But at least their food can be of as poor quality as US food, so aclimating might be easier. Just be careful when getting sick, free healthcare could be a massive culture shock.

            • Flying Squid
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              162 months ago

              I’m a UK citizen. I was able to legally get to the UK by getting on a plane.

              How would you suggest I emigrate to one of those European countries when I don’t even have a job?

              Clearly I’m very stupid and you aren’t, so give me the plan.

              • Lord Wiggle
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                32 months ago

                There are agencies which help with expats finding a job and housing. Also schools for kids etc. I know it exists here in NL, but also in Norway, Germany and probably much more countries.

                There are many job offers for expats. Many companies are scouting. Again, through expat agencies you can get easier access to these job offers, but not exclusively.

                Why didn’t you say you’re a UK citizen? So you’re not a US citizen and you moved back to your country of origin? I can understand that, although I still would have checked other countries first since the current state of the UK isn’t that attractive right now.

                As a UK citizen I think it’s even easier to live in an EU country then a US citizen.

                • Flying Squid
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                  No, I am a dual national.

                  And your plan is for me to contact an agency, but you don’t know what agency?

                  There are many job offers for expats.

                  Cool. Get me one.

                  As a UK citizen I think it’s even easier to live in an EU country then a US citizen.

                  Oh, you think so.

                  I asked you for a plan. You’ve given me a bunch of vague and unhelpful shit after admonishing me for doing my best.

                • Why didn’t you say you’re a UK citizen?

                  Because informing you isn’t his fucking job?

                  Here’s a trick you can use the next time you talk to somebody:

                  “Hey, why did you pick the UK of all places? What do you mean it’s the only place you can live legally?”

        • Flying Squid
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          102 months ago

          Thank you. I have decades of experience in audio video production and post production with a very impressive CV which hasn’t helped much yet, sadly.

        • Flying Squid
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          32 months ago

          For me, six weeks to get a passport because I have citizenship rights. For my daughter (and wife still in the U.S.), it involves me finding a job that pays more than £28,000 a year.

            • Flying Squid
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              I think so. As far as I understand, I just have to be in the country and prove I make at least that much a year or have that much in savings. But fully remote jobs are even harder to get.

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                Yeah I have a buddy doing remote tv editing gigs who is not in NY or CA. It has been very difficult since the easy money dried up.

    • @AA5B@lemmy.world
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      As one of the blue states, we’re not getting directly hit yet. Our leaders are strong and I’m a confident we can hold out, like a beacon of hope, for the next four years. We can rebuild. We have the technology. We can make it better than it was. Better, stronger, faster.

      In theory we could even be better off, not paying in all that money that less developed states depend on, k though taxes never go down. I’m sure just like last time, they’ll add a twist to the tax cuts for the wealthy to screw over high cost of living states.

        • @nomy@lemmy.zip
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          22 months ago

          That’s half our plans right?

          Resist and throw monkey wrenches as long as possible then gtfo and “overstay” your visa at the last moment. Obviously this is more difficult for some of us and some should plan an exit sooner, everyone needs to focus on their own threat model and plan accordingly.

          Be an accomplice, not an ally.

    • Tiefling IRL
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      I’m currently in the process of relocating to Canada via my job, know many others who are as well.

    • ArxCyberwolf
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      32 months ago

      Some people are fleeing. The RCMP has been detaining a lot of people who have fled or are helping to move people out of the US.

    • @leadore@lemmy.world
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      Don’t forget to include a bible and a gun in every care package to make them feel at home.

      You’re getting mixed up. The ones fleeing would not be the ones with the bibles and guns–those are who they would be fleeing from.

      • Lord Wiggle
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        12 months ago

        The loonies will flee too when they find out what they voted for.

    • @whyalone@lemm.ee
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      Fleeing to canada could mean in the future to flee to a 51st usa state, hopefully this will never happen…

      • Lord Wiggle
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        22 months ago

        It would be the biggest state. I doubt Canada has a republican majority, so for Republicans this would mean a nightmare. Never elected again. Not that elections will be an issue when Trump manages to sit until death, like his buddy Putin, and Xi.

        • @btaf45@lemmy.world
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          Narcisstic Buffoon Trump says he going to take over Canada so that he gets your attention for that one particular day.

          Narcisstic Buffoon Trump says he going to take over Greenland so that he gets your attention for that one particular day.

          Narcisstic Buffoon Trump says he going to take over Gaza so that he gets your attention for that one particular day.

          Unless and until you hear news about actual US troops landing in Canada, Greenland, or Gaza, don’t give Traitorapist Trump any attention at all for that crap. If he actually did any of that, he would have to pay a significant price. He is not saying anything important, so you are safe to go about your life.

          • Lord Wiggle
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            I don’t agree. I agree with him trying to get your attention, but I think it’s because he doesn’t want your attention at the stuff he’s actually doing. Plastic straws? Rly? Better double check whatever else he’s doing. He’s constantly distracting everyone with some weird bs to hide his malpractice. No one cares about some simple executive orders when he’s threatening to invade Canada, everyone will write about some stupid placric straws instead of some boring stuff which actually is harmful AF.

        • @Maggoty@lemmy.world
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          Oh that’s just the rhetoric. It’ll never be a State. That would give it protection from the corporations. It’ll be a territory with federal laws forcing them to allow corporations to mine and log anything the corporations desire.

    • @Jericho_Kane@lemmy.org
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      12 months ago

      Imagine fleeing ro a county whose people have beed called drug dealer criminal rapists by the president they elected twice.

  • @CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world
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    492 months ago

    If the DogeBags end up fucking with nearly everyone’s Social Security…they have not really thought this through.

    This country is armed to the teeth, and if some of those armed, and crazy, people realize that YOU are one of the people directly responsible for fucking with their lifeline (we are not talking about some faceless, byzantine bureaucracy here, we are talking about idiot fElon, his DogeBags, and their asinine “move fast and break things” mentality), well…let’s just say it might end very badly.

    All of these people, including the incel DogeBags, probably have a lot of security detail. But that security has to work 100% of the time. The crazies only need to be successful once…

    • @carl_dungeon@lemmy.world
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      252 months ago

      Nah, the armed brainwashed masses will blame the libs and brown people and continue to suck Elon and trumps knobby dicks

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        Oh, I’m sure quite a few that are glued to their Outrage Industrial Complex will do that, but all it takes is just a few to realize that donvict put fElon and his DogeBags in there to fuck up their social security (or Medicare. or Medicaid) payments.

        Even if only a tiny, tiny fraction of them realize just exactly who is to blame for such a scenario…again, it’s not some faceless organization that would have done this; they have names.

      • @Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        22 months ago

        Blaming the libs won’t put food on the table.

        “Three missed meals from anarchy.”

        Time to find out if it’s true.

    • @TheLastOfHisName@lemmy.world
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      It doesn’t even have to be the “crazies”. I’m a sweetheart of a guy, but fuck with my money, and I will go straight-up gangster on a motherfucker.

      I paid into the system my entire working life. It’s mine.

    • Hanrahan
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      82 months ago

      and crazy, people realize that YOU are one of the people directly responsible for fucking with their lifeline

      Theb they shoukd shoot themselves for supporting the idiot with a vote.

      • @OneTwoThree@mander.xyz
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        42 months ago

        For what it’s worth, people are usually only inclined to take action after they themselves have been hurt so badly they have no other options left. I wouldn’t expect to see any political assassinations until our grandparents are losing their homes, food gets so expensive people cannot eat, censorship has taken away comforts like porn, and unemployment is incredibly high

        Once all of that happens and still no action is taken by anyone, then yeah I’ll agree most gun nuts only collect firearms to LARP getting to kill minorities.

        • @CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world
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          I’d imagine if some redcap went off their rocker and did something extreme against donvict, fElon, or one of their lackeys that martial law (or marshal law if you use donvict’s spelling) would be declared and guns would be getting confiscated at quite a rapid clip. At least from people suspected of not being redcap enough.

          Those deemed sufficiently redcap might be given some extra perks - just enough so that they are not wanting to do radical things against donvict. They would probably be pointed at out-groups and given the hint - or explicit messaging - that they won’t be punished for anything they do against out-groups.

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        They aren’t hurting yet. The Dogebags could make things, much, much worse.

        If they thought they were hurting when systems operated properly and checks were paid, banking worked properly under things like the FDIC and we had one of the best economies in quite a long time…buckle up.

        These guys are out to break government. That will be absolutely make people absolutely miserable. If they thought “Bidenflation” was excruciating, they ain’t seen nothing yet.

    • I have seen nothing from the gun folks to indicate they’ll do anything other than cheer on Trumpsk while they burn the nation down. You have to have some brains, ambition and organization to do anything like that.

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      The IRS is no threat to him personally, since the Republicans have ensured that it doesn’t have the funding to go after the BIG tax dodgers like himself.

      As for the DHS, ICE SHOULD be a threat to him since he broke visa rules and as such is technically in the country illegally, but that would require for the law to apply to politically connected billionaires…

    • Mayor Poopington
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      Hope he doesn’t. I’m afraid they will use the IRS to go after the poor and the shredded remains of the middle class and ignore anyone actually committing tax fraud.

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        they will use the IRS to go after the poor and the shredded remains of the middle class and ignore anyone actually committing tax fraud.

        That’s the fun/infuriating part: due to a lack of funding, that’s already the case no matter who’s in charge of the IRS!

        It’s much more expensive for the IRS to audit the big fish and, knowing that, the GOP have made sure that they’re underfunded enough that their billionaire overlords like Musk can cheat on their taxes with impunity and never get audited.

  • ThePowerOfGeek
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    372 months ago

    Log into your SSA account now, get your current statement, and save it somewhere secure. It probably won’t make any difference since this administration will almost certainly completely gut the SS program. But at least this way on the slim chance that there is some sort of recompense down the road, you’ll have an official document available showing you what you were supposed to get at retirement.

    • @limelight79@lemm.ee
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      Ahh, fuck.

      I’m a federal employee. I’ve also had to download my most recent earnings & leave statements (something I usually ignore) and take a snapshot of my current leave totals…just in case DOGE fucks it all up.

    • @WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works
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      Add to this a record of any student loans you have or have ever had. You can log in to studentaid.gov and export a full record of your previous loans, your payments and balance over time, and any forgiveness you’ve received.

      As Musk and his goons fucks with the Department of Education, it’s unlikely that your student loan balance will go “poof.” But records of your payments or any forgiveness you received just might.

      And really, individuals should now archive local records of any interactions they’ve had with the federal government. The federal government can no longer be considered a reliable steward of records.

  • @adarza@lemmy.ca
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    During a news conference Friday, President Trump said that Americans’ social security would remain undisturbed by DOGE. “Social Security will not be touched, it will only be strengthened,” he said.

    you mean you’re going to uncap contributions and put a lower ceiling on what the most wealthy receive from it, while increasing benefits all around for everyone else??!?!?!?!!? wutuwaitinfor?

  • @nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    there is no congress. there is no supreme court. there’s no constitution. forget it. it’s over man whatever.

  • @A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
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    82 months ago

    if SS gets fucked with/up, I wonder if I can sue my MAGAt relatives to force them to give financial support to my grandparents. cause without SS they will fucking die.

  • @meowmeowbeanz@sh.itjust.works
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    Oh look, the billionaire savior complex strikes again. Musk’s DOGE initiative isn’t “efficiency”—it’s a hostile takeover of public infrastructure, dressed in Silicon Valley’s favorite buzzwords. Dismantling Social Security and gutting the CFPB? Classic move for someone who thinks regulations are just speed bumps on the road to monopolistic utopia.

    And partnering with Visa? How revolutionary. Let’s replace accountability with a payment processor that’s definitely never exploited consumers. Meanwhile, “X” becomes the perfect propaganda funnel—centralized, unmoderated, and conveniently aligned with Elon’s latest whim.

    But sure, let’s trust the guy who throws tantrums over unionizing workers to “streamline” agencies protecting vulnerable citizens. What’s next, privatizing oxygen? Wake me when the lawsuits bankrupt his ego.

  • @Gammelfisch@lemmy.world
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    Awful shit and at minimum, I hope the red run welfare states get the “Squeal like a pig (Deliverance)” treatment from DOGE.